Fashion Board 11-2-03 - 12-09-03

[Skeks in the city]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore

[Note: you must consult your local butcher as Goose is not as easy to obtain as Duck, and can be quite expensive)

If you're going for a fatty bird, duck beats goose.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by tax_hottie
What about a pot roast? I LOVE all the Thanksgiving side dishes, so we would definitely have things like apple-sausage stuffing, garlic mashed potatoes, creamed spinach, pumpkin pie, etc. Anyway, I am leaning towards the pot roast idea... Any other recommendations out there?

I'm not sure a pot roast is what you want - it wouldn't seem to go with the traditional turkey sides. Pot roasts usually end up creating their owns sides - namely roast potatoes, onions and carrots that cook with the roast.

Maybe you're thinking of a standing rib roast or rib eye roast. Think "prime rib"/"roast beef" verses kind-of-stringy-but-hopefully- really-tender-so-as-to- be-falling-apart-in-a-rich-gravy- bordering-on-a-stew. A standing rib roast is great (a ribeye roast is a little easier because it doesn't have the bones, but loses a little flavor), and definately pulls of the holiday meal. One disadvantage is cost - a 12 lb turkey is like $15 around this time of year, and a 6 lbs eye roast (boneless), serving about the same number of people, will put you back $45-70, depending where you get it (BTW - one of the best places to buy a roast like this is a Sam's / Costco / BJs).

[Gattigap]

I survived. Thanks to those who offered the suggestions on travel waystations and diversions. Would that I could've taken advantage of them all, but unexpected delays eroded the diversion time.

(It took me a while to gather together bail after that episode triggered by ShapeShifter's recommended mammalian "club". A helpful safety tip -- the phrase "The Lizard Sent Me" does not carry the cache that one might ordinarily expect.)

I've discovered that my new home is also home to some particularly virulent IT Nazis, so my IM access is at least temporarily kaput. Those who need or want to reach me can still do so by PM (or, of course, by email).

I've decided not to bore the board with details of the trip, but I am happy to be in the land of Schwartzenegger's California. Somehow, the sky looks bluer, the trees greener, and life just more sunny.

And the burritos. Oh my God, the burritos.

Gattigap

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Gattigap
I survived. Thanks to those who offered the suggestions on travel waystations and diversions. Would that I could've taken advantage of them all, but unexpected delays eroded the diversion time.

(It took me a while to gather together bail after that episode triggered by ShapeShifter's recommended mammalian "club". A helpful safety tip -- the phrase "The Lizard Sent Me" does not carry the cache that one might ordinarily expect.)

I've discovered that my new home is also home to some particularly virulent IT Nazis, so my IM access is at least temporarily kaput. Those who need or want to reach me can still do so by PM (or, of course, by email).

I've decided not to bore the board with details of the trip, but I am happy to be in the land of Schwartzenegger's California. Somehow, the sky looks bluer, the trees greener, and life just more sunny.

And the burritos. Oh my God, the burritos.

Gattigap

Not to be a Timmy just because I'm stuck on hold, but the timmy in me thought brit disclosures were for posts that just say "email me, sunnybunny!" Though it can be someone other than stupidbitch.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Apropos of, er, anyway, does anyone know whatever happened to Mark Chmura? Is he in prison?

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone_Slothrop
Apropos of, er, anyway, does anyone know whatever happened to Mark Chmura? Is he in prison?

Is OJ?

Is Ray Lewis?

Is Kobe?

Is Rae Carr...er, skip that one.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Is OJ?

Is Ray Lewis?

Is Kobe?

Is Rae Carr...er, skip that one.

Kobe may get there yet. But I was just thinking about Packers tight ends.

What's Rush saying about McNabb right about now?

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Fugee
FWIW, I think *any* college class with 23 women and 1 man would turn into a female bonding/male bashing/bitch slapping the only guy extravaganza.

Concur. After one semester of Feminist Response to Religious Studies, even Jesus sounded like a real prick. It took a while for the effect to wear off.

[Fugee]

Originally posted by tax_hottie
As un-American as this may sound, I don't really like turkey and no one in my family is crazy about it either. I find it to be too "gamey" tasting. We always end up with a shitload of leftover turkey that never gets eaten, since no one really likes it. I'd rather have roast chicken instead. Has anyone ever had a non-traditional Thanksgiving dinner? What about a pot roast? I LOVE all the Thanksgiving side dishes, so we would definitely have things like apple-sausage stuffing, garlic mashed potatoes, creamed spinach, pumpkin pie, etc. Anyway, I am leaning towards the pot roast idea... Any other recommendations out there?

T(turkey-hater)H

You could try just getting a turkey breast -- white meat is fairly bland and you could put the dressing underneath. Go with chicken if your family would like it better -- leaves more turkeys for the rest of us! Concur with the thumbs down on pot roast and that the other kinds mentioned would be better.

The Fugee Family is coming to the Manor again this year. Dad Fugee loves my turkey and dressing. I always get a fresh (not frozen) free range turkey -- lots of flavor -- and buy one several pounds larger than needed for the purpose of maximizing leftovers. I highly recommend brining your turkey (see Cooks Illustrated and/or Fine Cooking**). Even the white meat stays juicy. However, don't put salt in the dressing that is going inside or it will be too salty and warn people to taste before they automatically hit the meat with salt -- the brining does leave salt in the meat.

I may try the Mom Deuce rolls this year instead of the frozen bread dough kind.

**I'm having trouble picturing Slave as a Cooks Illustrated reader, much less a subscriber. I didn't think he used the Kitchen for actual food preparation. This is a whole new side to him.

[LessinSF]

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[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Skeks in the city
If you're going for a fatty bird, duck beats goose.

Is no one else thinking ham? Or was that already eliminated as an option? I guess this would not be a good choice if the family has ham at Christmas (mine does not, hence my hammy thoughts).

[tmdiva]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Is no one else thinking ham? Or was that already eliminated as an option? I guess this would not be a good choice if the family has ham at Christmas (mine does not, hence my hammy thoughts).

I'll have to second that recommendation for a pork loin roast. I cooked one Sunday, following the instructions for "Tuscan Pork Loin" in Cook's Illustrated (except that I had the loin roast, not the loin rib roast--I should have re-read the article before I called my pig farmer). I served it with pretty Thanksgiving-y sides, including mashed sweet potatoes (also the Cook's Illustrated recipe, with the addition of a few pecans and a little brown sugar and butter on top before re-heating in the oven), mashed potatoes, and cranberry sauce.

Since a large pork loin roast involves more than one long muscle, it is tailor-made for stuffing--you just cut along the division between muscles. The Tuscan Pork Loin recipe involves smearing the cut area with a paste of rosemary, garlic and olive oil (I added thyme and sage as well), but you could also make some bread stuffing with, say, apples, sage and walnuts, or dried apricots, thyme and almonds--whatever strikes your fancy. Or just a plain savory bread stuffing, with sage, onions and celery. Or you could try substituting cornbread (baked a day or two ahead so it is nice and dry) for the white bread. Then, once the loin is stuffed, just tie it back together and roast (depending on how much stuffing you're going to put in it, you might want to brown it before slicing/stuffing/tying).

T_H, I got my pork at the farmers' market (grass-fed, organic, blah blah blah)--I can give you more details if you like. And if you need any fresh herbs (rosemary, thyme, sage, chives, mint, oregano), just come on over and I can give you a few snips. I can also provide the recipes if you need them.

We'll be having turkey chez nous, with pretty traditional stuffing etc. because my nephews are super-picky and because even for the grownups Thanksgiving is just not to be messed with.

tm

PS We also had Romanesco broccoli on Sunday, with purple cauliflower. Check it out:

[Jack Manfred]

Originally posted by Connect_the_Dots
Gene Autry type westerns are a joke and don't really count.

Not if you believe Quentin Tarantino. I can't post a link to his New York Times article in the Watching Movies series because it's now in the paid archive section, but QT picked a movie with Roy Rogers and Trigger. He maintains that Trigger was a great actor. Not a great horse, a great actor.

For the currently-underappreciated movie, I would pick Rebel Without a Cause. Very few people 45 and under have actually seen it, although everyone knows about James Dean. They know him as a dead legend (fans of The Smiths might know him as an obsession for Morrissey), but few people now know James Dean the actor. Plus Natalie Wood fills out her 1950's sweater nicely.

I also think Dr. Strangelove is one of those films that everyone in their 40s has seen, but that people in their 20s and 30s have missed.

There are some foreign films that I would add, but I think we're sticking to American fare.

[Jack Manfred]

Ladies and Gentlemen....

Ms. Neko Case!

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
But I was just thinking about Packers tight ends.

You and half a million other men in San Francisco. Get in line.

But he was acquitted. And cut. Or retired, and is now out of football.

Setting a great example, like Bill Romanowski, of what a Jesuit institution can do for some folks.