Fashion Board 11-2-03 - 12-09-03

[Fugee]

Originally posted by bilmore

According to SI.com, this picture was taken at last year's Ryder Cup. Why are these people so dressed up on what looks like a golf course? Tiger's wearing a serious suit, not what I think of as typical Ryder Cup wear. And what's that emblem or something on his pocket -- the team badge or award? I missed watching the last Ryder Cup or I'd know this.

Oh, and the fiance. She's a Swedish model which is why she looks like a Minnesotan and causes Bilmore to lust in his heart.

Speaking of golf, Annika kicked butt in the Skins Game today playing against the guys. I hope she does well again tomorrow.

And speaking of "women" golfers, the one to watch is still in 9th grade: Michelle Wie was on the sports news this weekend and has an amazing swing.

[Atticus Grinch]

If you're looking for the ideal forum for dadaist prose, it's Amazon.com product reviews. If you keep your eyes peeled, you'll find a few gems.

A ray of sunshine in tough times, June 13, 2003
Reviewer: 2nearsighted (see more about me) from the midwest

I am in complete accordance with other reviewers who state that this piggy bank is difficult to open; but that is why I am so enthusiastically in support of it. We cannot teach children proper savings habits in these troubled times, unless it's a big hassle to get out their coins. My children have their own piggy banks in pink, and I have a piggy bank in blue, which I will take the liberty of including in this review. I find that the piggy bank is beautiful and durable, but that it does not hold out ground water very well. I did bury my piggy bank in the back yard, after receiving a fairly large money order from my uncle. In general, I do not trust fancy pants banks and other such operations, because I feel that they infringe on my privacy and that they use interest from my money to fund all sorts of experiments. But I must warn anyone who intends to bury their piggy bank, that it is not very effective against the elements. We had a particularly long and cold winter here, and I found that when I retrieved my funds (after forgotting where it was and gouging up most of the yard), that all of the bills were very wet and smelled like my aunt Lucille. I tried to dry the money on a clothesline, and it was all subsequently stolen by--I allege--wayward children in my neighborhood. I can prove nothing as of yet. And I do not blame the makers of this fine product for my misfortune. Instead, as I believe William Shakespeare said best, I come not to bury this piggy bank, but to praise it. It has survived the test of time, and now I use it keep notes and reminders to myself.

Little Tykes Piggy Bank (Pink).

[Jack Manfred]

Originally posted by 2nearsighted, A ray of sunshine in tough times
In general, I do not trust fancy pants banks.

Dear Sir or Madam:

According to internal documents from Amazon.com, you posted the aforementioned defamatory statement about Fancy Pants Banks earlier this year on their website as part of a so-called "product review" for a children's toy. Our Client, Fancy Pants Banks ("FPB") has been serving the sartorially blessed in the tri-state area since 1922. FPB has built over 80 years of trust, goodwill, and fiduciary relationships with the men (and since the early-70's, some of the women) of the greater tri-state area. Your provocative untruths about FPB threaten the business relationships of our client and hinder its ability to effectively communicate in today's crowded financial services marketplace.

While our client has certainly suffered damages as a result of your tortious actions, we are willing to enter into settlement negotiations with you or your legal representative on this issue. The first step to successful negotiations would, of course, be a full and public renunciation of your defamatory remarks vis-a-vis FPB.

In the alternative, FPB is prepared to vigorously defend its right to provide financially services to the nattily trousered. We will not allow your defamatory comments about the trustworthiness of FPB hurt the confidence of FPB customers and clients. FPB takes its fiduciary duties quite seriously, and all checking and savings accounts are FDIC-insured to $100,000.

FPB could not be more confident that they would prevail on a number of different theories in both tort and law based on your posted falsehoods- for example- defamation, intentional interference with business relationships, intentional interference with contract, and state securities law violations (for providing misleading financial advice re: burying money on residential lots). These examples serve to illustrate the choice you now face: remain an enemy of the trousered class and face the harsh consequences in a court of law, or retract your defamatory comments about FPB and make a full and public apology.

I look forward to your prompt reply.


Yours Truly,

/s/ Jack Manfred, Esq.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Yeah well, you know me, I try to engage in polite conversation, get to know someone, before I dub them a hate-mongering, race-obsessed prick.

We have one:


You agree to not use the Service to:
upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that is ... hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable

Damn. This is likely to cut down on my post numbers.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by bilmore

(Uh, they're engaged.)

Perhaps it's just an unflattering photo, but Tiger's fiance seems to be suffering from Jay Leno chin.

(Note: This is merely an initial observation. I will require additional photographic evidence before making my final decision on the matter.)

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by leagleaze
You agree to not use the Service to.....post....any Content that is ... otherwise objectionable

Originally posted by spookyfish
Damn. This is likely to cut down on my post numbers.

you have no idea how happy i was when leag'l choose not to adopt Shape shifter's "nothing to say" plank

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you have no idea how happy i was when leag'l choose not to adopt Shape shifter's "nothing to say" plank

Don't be silly. That provision only applied to hate-mongering race-obsessed pricks. You're not race-obsessed, that I can tell.

[evenodds]

Originally posted by Not Me
Would it change your opinion of what I wrote if you knew I were a black woman? And if it does, what does that say about you?

Whether you are a white man or a black woman or somewhere in between, prejudging the appropriateness of a mate by skin tone is tremendously stupid and sad.

FYI, I would avoid reading Kevin Baker's Paradise Alley. It will only upset you.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by evenodds
Whether you are a white man or a black woman or somewhere in between, prejudging the appropriateness of a mate by skin tone is tremendously stupid and sad.

You have completely missed my point. Completely. And it was not a hard point to grasp. Holding your hand now to walk you through it slowly, my point was that his choice in a mate says alot about his feelings toward being or not being black and internalized racism and self-hatred. I made no commentary on appropriateness. I commented on what this says about him.

We know why she married him. If he was a fry cook, she wouldn't be seen dead with him.

But that has nothing to do with something being appropriate or not. It is just commentary on their motivations for choosing who they did to marry. That cannot be either appropriate or inappropriate. It just is what it is.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Don't be silly. That provision only applied to hate-mongering race-obsessed pricks. You're not race-obsessed, that I can tell.

But several of those who post here are. For instance, those who scream "racist/racism" any time anyone makes a negative statement about someone black or, in this case, comments on the fact that who a person chooses to marry says something about them.

Commenting on what it says about someone when they pick a particular person to marry is done all the time. For instance, if you think someone's mate isn't as attractive as they are, people might speculate that the more attractive person married the person for money, like say, Anna Nicole and the billionair she married. The fact that there are those of you who immediately start your knee-jerk cries of racism because the commentary concerned racial issues screams "white-guilt" just as loudly.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore
You indicated that Tiger married a member of a wrong race.

Point to where in my post I said that. I never said anything like that. What sort of twisted logic did you use to arrive at that conclusion?

I never even broached the subject of rightness or wrongness. I commented on what his choice in who to marry says about him. I think it says he wants the mother of his children to be as white as possible with him as a father. He couldn't have picked a more white looking person to marry. I also think this says he has internalized racism and that there is an element of self-hatred involved, too.

That is neither right nor wrong and I never said it was. It is sad, though, IMHO.

Has he ever even dated a black women?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Not Me
You have completely missed my point. Completely. And it was not a hard point to grasp. Holding your hand now to walk you through it slowly, my point was that his choice in a mate says alot about his feelings toward being or not being black and internalized racism and self-hatred. I made no commentary on appropriateness. I commented on what this says about him.

Except, of course, for that "What a slap in the face to black women and the black community who have so supported him. Unbelievable!!!!" remark.

Before reading your subsequent half-dozen posts trying to defend your position, I also read this as a comment on appropriateness. (Still do.)

Before deciding to be patronizing (or screaming "white guilt!"), reread your posts to see both what they say, and what they suggest.

[Not Me]

When people throw the word racism around everytime someone mentions something negative about a black person, it is not only tiresome, it renders the term meaningless. You do all of us a disservice when you dilute the word like that.

It is as tiresome as making an inappropriate holocaust analogy.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by Not Me
When people throw the word racism around everytime someone mentions something negative about a black person, it is not only tiresome, it renders the term meaningless. You do all of us a disservice when you dilute the word like that.

It is as tiresome as making an inappropriate holocaust analogy.

And when they use it correctly? You can backpedal all you want. You said that a black man marrying a white woman, who was whiter than white whooo boy, is a slap in the face. That is saying it is wrong, there is no other way to interpret that. And it is a racist statement against both white people and black people. Have no clue whether you are racist or not, but you sure did say a racist thing.

Did you think we would all agree with you and pat you on your back as you insulted the numerous people on this board who are in biracial relationships?

Stop for a moment and reverse what you said. If a white man married a black woman, and in response someone said, whooo boy, that woman is blacker than black, she's from Nigeria, it doesn't get any blacker than that, what a slap in the face to white people and white women in particular, what would you think about that statement?

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Except, of course, for that "What a slap in the face to black women and the black community who have so supported him. Unbelievable!!!!" remark.

Evenodd's point was that I was commenting on the appropriateness of his choice. Explain to me how you reached the conclusion that I was commenting on appropriateness from that quote. I would like some insight into your thought process. I never said that and don't see how you arrived at that conclusion.

I will once again hold your hand and walk you through this. That comment goes to what I believe are the effect his actions have on others. I didn't comment on whether that is appropriate or not for him to have that effect on others. I simply commented on the effect I believe it has and what that says about him.

There really was nothing difficult to understand about my post. I am baffled by the difficulty you are having understanding it.

FYI - I hardly consider bantering back and forth on the internet with anonymous strangers defending my position. I could careless what you or anyone who read this thinks about me. It is simply an indication of my boredom on this rainy Sunday morn that I am here. Once the rain stops, I will be outtahere.