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Old 12-03-2003, 07:50 PM   #3766
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I hear "men rule the world" and I think about combat deaths, the prison system, and life expectancy statistics.
Maybe this is neither here nor there, but I don't think that women are in general, sending men to combat deaths, responsible for the state of the prison system, or sending men to an early grave (although [insert stupid joke here] you can debate me on the last one).

Some men do insist that their brides have no clitorises. (even though, yes, I know, it is women that often take it off). I think my example is more relevant to my point than yours is to yours. Actually, what is your point? that actually women do rule the world? Or that the people who have the power to do shitty things to people suck regardless of gender.
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Old 12-03-2003, 07:51 PM   #3767
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The women on this board do all the things you and others (namely, Bilmore) are saying (get up, go to work, slave, slave, slave, go home, etc.) but then ALSO are expected to do all the kid stuff too.

Most men wouldn't do it, because they'd be too busy whining about how hard they work, and they need a BREAK when they come home, dammit!

Most men would sooner slit their throats than stay home with their kids -- it would drive them batty. (Bond, schmond...)
Hey, for the most part, its you all who want the kids. Sure, some guys want the kids (mostly in theory), but a quiet very large percentage of us are only doing it because our wives are making us. You want the kids and the career? Well, be prepared for a tough road. I'm putting it off as long as I can so I'll be old when the brats are nearing college age and will then be too burnt to get stressed when the kids wreck cars and come home drunk and piss in the refrigerator.

Why the hell do you women want kids so bad? Its painful, wrecks your body, fucks up your finances and ensures 20 yrs of annoyance. Sing me up... please... sounds fucking faaaantastic. Can't fuckin' wait.
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Old 12-03-2003, 07:52 PM   #3768
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I have a male counterpart in another division that makes a lot more than I do. We were in the same law school class. We have the same titles, and we do the same thing though our divisions are slightly different and we face different issues. The only difference between our jobs is that he's been with the institution his entire career and I lateralled in nearly two years ago, and his division may value the work he does more than mine does. He supervises more people. I have enough work for more people, but I don't have the budget for them.
Interesting observation. My wife is a product manager (cross between being a buyer and a product developer) at an apparel company. This is a pretty senior job. She's worked her way up to her level over the past 5 years at the same company. She's much younger than the other two women at her level (the other two deal with different, bigger (but less profitable) product areas. The other women lateralled in at that level. My wife is making much much less money than her colleagues.

I think a lot of the "work your way up" vs. "lateralling in" depends on market forces, and how low you started. In the case of my wife, she's doubled her salary in 5 years, but it started out at such a low level that she's still vastly undercompensated. But at smaller companies without set pay scales, it's tough for people to stomach giving an employee a 100% raise (or even 50%) at one shot, even if the promotion would otherwise warrant it.

This is kinda garbled, but I think it's mostly correct.
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Old 12-03-2003, 07:52 PM   #3769
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I hear "men rule the world" and I think about combat deaths, the prison system, and life expectancy statistics.
Yeah, but that shit is our fault.

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Old 12-03-2003, 07:52 PM   #3770
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The women on this board do all the things you and others (namely, Bilmore) are saying (get up, go to work, slave, slave, slave, go home, etc.) but then ALSO are expected to do all the kid stuff too.

Most men wouldn't do it, because they'd be too busy whining about how hard they work, and they need a BREAK when they come home, dammit!

Most men would sooner slit their throats than stay home with their kids -- it would drive them batty. (Bond, schmond...)
I don't buy it. Mrs. Wonk works at home as a freelance writer, but she has a much more limited schedule than I do. Nonetheless, when I get home, I bathe the monster, help him with his homework, help with the laundry, etc.

I get the kids breakfast in the morning, and when I am home for dinner, I either cook or do dishes.

While she undoubtedly does more around the house than me, I would put our effort when I'm home at 50-50.

I would think at some point all this generalization would get tiresome. I'm not dumping on you, DTB. Yours just happens to be the post I decided to respond to.
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Old 12-03-2003, 07:53 PM   #3771
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But it is true that everyone in our profession feels like there is too much to do and too little time to do it in. Maybe even everyone today feels that way. I think it has to do with the speed at which things happen these days.
And yet we all seem to have plenty of time to post here
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Old 12-03-2003, 07:54 PM   #3772
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Yeah, but that shit is our fault.

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Old 12-03-2003, 07:56 PM   #3773
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How the hell do you know that? And what's your point? My wife, even when she worked, didn't work the hours I work. She should be taking care of that other shit. And bilmore just said he works damn hard at home. And you're full of yourself (not really) if you think that men just naturally don't do shit when it comes to kids. If my wife and I both worked the same hours (had she continued to work once she had the kid), do you [i]really[i] think I would be doing less than she for my child? You're insane.

Well, if you're at home with the kid all day, it may be tiring, but it ain't work work. So, yeah. I'll take a break when I get home. Because when my break is over, I'm doing as much, if not more work at home than YOU. Because now you need a break (and they seem to last much longer than mine).

Ah. "Most men," hunh? Other people can't say "most women," when posting on this topic that got you all hot and bothered, but "most men" is perfectly acceptable? I would trade in a second if my wife could pull in the cash I'm pulling in. I bet a bunch of other men would too. I love spending time with my daughter.

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Come on, TM, being at home with the kids really isn't heavy lifting the way posting on this board all day is?

Sad thing is, if you're looking to take a break and ignore the kids when you get home, it's going to show in the relationship between you and the kids. The part of life that women get more of than men that I miss most is that close relationship with the kids - they usually get to put more into that relationship, and so they usually get more out.

(BTW, catch-up today was a bit much - some of you need abridged versions of your posts; and if this new sock is welcome here, maybe it's time to invite back Petunia and Co.)
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Old 12-03-2003, 07:56 PM   #3774
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and knock it off with the abbreviations while you are at it. That's so h-s.
GWNC: This might be an oldie, but I recently chuckled when someone referred to an odious woman as having worked for the University of North Toronto radio station.

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If you don't get it, think about radio station call letters

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If you still don't get it, see you next tuesday.

Sadly, there is no University of North Toronto. There was a high school though . . . just down the block from mine. Good fights after school sometimes.
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Old 12-03-2003, 07:56 PM   #3775
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Hey, for the most part, its you all who want the kids. Sure, some guys want the kids (mostly in theory), but a quiet very large percentage of us are only doing it because our wives are making us.
You married the wrong woman.
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Old 12-03-2003, 07:56 PM   #3776
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A few weeks ago, someone here posted a rant about annoying things clients do. I cut and pasted the rant (with attribution) and forwarded to my brother. I think the rant has been cirlced by architects for a few weeks.
OOOh, I invented that rant about annoying clients!
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Old 12-03-2003, 07:59 PM   #3777
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Hey, for the most part, its you all who want the kids. Sure, some guys want the kids (mostly in theory), but a quiet very large percentage of us are only doing it because our wives are making us.
Sebby, that may just be the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read. I mean, seriously. IF you really feel that way, then do yourself and your wife and the world in general a favor. Get divorced, never remarry, and for God's sake, don't ever reproduce.
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OOOh, I invented that rant about annoying clients!
So if NFH is a gay man as a result of her angel dude avatar, does this make you a lesbian? I'm just trying to keep up here.
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Old 12-03-2003, 08:04 PM   #3779
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This is all bullshit anyway. At least men don't have to wade through it, ending up in the lose-lose situation where if you don't go to the retreat, you are a self-hating woman and if you do, you miss three days of billing and don't meet your quota. Plus, all these programs do is encourage divisiveness.
My firm does approximately dick for mentoring. I've got, officially, two mentors. Only one is an actual person. The other is "all the partners in the group." If I'm an asshole for seeing some of the value in mentoring and wishing that I was maybe invited to a retreat every once in a while, then I'm an asshole. But it does, just a touch, make me wonder what the firm really cares about when they have minority retreats and women's retreats, but nothing for everyone.

And, sure, I'm a whining white guy. I've had it pretty good, and I appreciate it. But, in the workplaces I've been in (all major law firms), I haven't seen women treated poorly as a group. I haven't seen minorities treated poorly as a group. I've seen individuals treated poorly, and I've seen those groups enjoy the benefits of policies and mentorship and programs.

I think, in the modern law firm, that women get the best of both worlds. In the firms I've been employed, sure, fewer women are making partner. But that's certainly influenced by the fact that many female associates come from affluent families and have spouses who make a lot of money and want to have kids. In my observation, they're not making partner because they don't want to at the same rates that men want to. They don't want to make the sacrifices that are required. And, frankly, neither do I. I enjoy life far too much to kill myself and never see my loved ones and never do the stuff that I want to. And, because men are supposed to be the ones who want to kill themselves to make partner, I suffer because I don't.
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Come on, TM, being at home with the kids really isn't heavy lifting the way posting on this board all day is?
I don't understand your point. I guess you're trying to say that she might be working as "hard" as I am? Well, being at home and watching your child grow and learn and play, etc. isn't exactly heavy lifting either. Sure she has to deal with a lot of shit (figuratively and literally). But I'm not trying to get into a contest here about who is working harder. I would rather be dealing with that shit than the shit I currently deal with. Understand?

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Sad thing is, if you're looking to take a break and ignore the kids when you get home, it's going to show in the relationship between you and the kids. The part of life that women get more of than men that I miss most is that close relationship with the kids - they usually get to put more into that relationship, and so they usually get more out.
Take a break and ignore the kids? Wrong. I wish I had that option. My kid is usually fast asleep when I get home. I'm talking about taking a break, period. Decompressing. Having a beer. Relaxing. I'll get to whatever needs to be gotten to in half an hour.

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