Still Hating America.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm best friends with the best criminal appeals lawyer in mi. so I'm familiar, yet not egotistically locked into any notion.

Since you have access to such an authoritative source, why don't you ask him or her to name another instance in which a fedaral appeals court has reversed a criminal conviction and immediately ordered the defendant released from custody even before issuing a written decision?

You could also ask whether Bauer, Easterbrook or Wood has ever reversed a criminal conviction for lack of evidence of guilt before.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Since you have access to such an authoritative source, why don't you ask him or her to name another instance in which a fedaral appeals court has reversed a criminal conviction and immediately ordered the defendant released from custody even before issuing a written decision?

You could also ask whether Bauer, Easterbrook or Wood has ever reversed a criminal conviction for lack of evidence of guilt before.

wait a minute. there's no second bottle- you're just finishing the first box?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
so do judges in my experience. do you always agree with them? ultimately our judicial system is based upon trusting the jury system.

Why bother with appellate judges at all then? Or motions to set aside the verdict?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm just rebutting. You're the one trying to prove something. I don't hypo.

That's a cop out (and a non sequitur).

I didn't know you padded your stats by failing to engage even after you started it.

S_A_M

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Why bother with appellate judges at all then? Or motions to set aside the verdict?

you can't read one post in a vacuum.

the verdict justifies the prosecution- maybe the appeals court was right too, but Ty ain't proving fuck all with it.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Mr. Vonnegut, he dead.

But we should all read that story a few times before we're faced with possibly voting for Hillary next fall.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you can't read one post in a vacuum.

That's true. You have to read it together with Hank's questions about boxes of wine to get the full import of his argument.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
counting this one. 409-23. wait. ncs has been disqualified right?

409-11.

Sorry, but you lost this one when you said a prosecutor can never be critized if he wins a conviction. The upside is that this level of absurdity wins you a nice visit from Ruben Carter.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Adder
Sorry, but you lost this one when you said a prosecutor can never be critized if he wins a conviction. The upside is that this level of absurdity wins you a nice visit from Ruben Carter.

Ruben Carter was innocent? you know that huh?

I bet you think Joey Gallo never did anything bad either, for the same reason you've been convinced about Carter.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Ruben Carter was innocent? you know that huh?

No, I don't know that. But I do know that sometime prosecutors do bad things. I can say this with absolute confidence because prosecutors are human beings, even if I think it is excedingly rare.

I brought up Carter's case only because it is a wildly known example of such allegations.

I bet you think Joey Gallo never did anything bad either, for the same reason you've been convinced about Carter.

You might want to listen to that one again.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Adder

You might want to listen to that one again.

no thanks.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

• The White House said Wednesday it had mishandled Republican Party-sponsored e-mail accounts used by nearly two dozen presidential aides, resulting in the loss of an undetermined number of e-mails concerning official White House business.
  
  Congressional investigators looking into the administration's firing of eight federal prosecutors already had the nongovernmental e-mail accounts in their sights because some White House aides used them to help plan the U.S. attorneys' ouster. Democrats were questioning whether the use of the GOP-provided e-mail accounts was proof that the firings were political.

AP

How about that?

[andViolins]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

• The White House said Wednesday it had mishandled Republican Party-sponsored e-mail accounts used by nearly two dozen presidential aides, resulting in the loss of an undetermined number of e-mails concerning official White House business.
  
  Congressional investigators looking into the administration's firing of eight federal prosecutors already had the nongovernmental e-mail accounts in their sights because some White House aides used them to help plan the U.S. attorneys' ouster. Democrats were questioning whether the use of the GOP-provided e-mail accounts was proof that the firings were political.

AP

How about that?

Although Anne Elk could better address this, I am always skeptical when someone states that an e-mail has been lost or deleted. From the article, it appears that there were blackberries, laptops, desktops and likely e-mail servers that all hosted versions of these e-mails. Even if these e-mails were set to be "deleted" every 30 days (or that they could be deleted by different individuals), I doubt that all of these devices were truly wiped. So, the answer is to go in and image all of the various drives. That is, if they are serious about finding the allegedly "lost" e-mails.

aV

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

• The White House said Wednesday it had mishandled Republican Party-sponsored e-mail accounts used by nearly two dozen presidential aides, resulting in the loss of an undetermined number of e-mails concerning official White House business.
  
  Congressional investigators looking into the administration's firing of eight federal prosecutors already had the nongovernmental e-mail accounts in their sights because some White House aides used them to help plan the U.S. attorneys' ouster. Democrats were questioning whether the use of the GOP-provided e-mail accounts was proof that the firings were political.

AP

How about that?

I thought presidential records had to be preserved. This is illegal, no?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Well, we know it. You're in denial, or just faking it.

He still supports Worsethannixon. Of course he's in denial.