Still Hating America.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky
For the Global warming issue, ts not the water they use, it is the energy they use.

I wish you had posted this a year ago. He stopped showering but once a week, to save the planet for his kids, but since then his wife won't let him near her so there are no kids. Catch 22.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
here is what is really stupid about the whole question: everyone seems to have bought into a side as a political issue. Like you hear temp changes are cyclic and people say Greenland is called Greenland because 1000 years ago it was a very green place. Or I hear the Katrina should have been expected because massive hurricaines seem to come on 75 year cycles, and it was time. Of course the people making the statements seem to have some political point to make, but the people responding seem to be attacking it like advocates. We need some Judges, no more advocates.

This is a good idea -- we should ask some qualified "judges" to speak about the risks and causes of global warming.


Who would we appoint to this task, though? I would suggest we appoint an international panel of climate scientists.


Alternately, we could ask Michael Crichton what he thinks. I mean, Jurassic Park was pretty science-y, so he could have a voice worth hearing.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
This is a good idea -- we should ask some qualified "judges" to speak about the risks and causes of global warming.


Who would we appoint to this task, though? I would suggest we appoint an international panel of climate scientists.


Alternately, we could ask Michael Crichton what he thinks. I mean, Jurassic Park was pretty science-y, so he could have a voice worth hearing.

You are subtle. I take it your point was to show by example that when it comes to science the lay person (here you in the guise of poster trying to be smart assed) is too poorly educated to understand what he is talking about so he has to take the word of his choosen clergy, the scientists.

My point was this- is it true that Greenland was farmland 1000 years ago? do hurricaines come in 75 year cycles at the Gulf coast? You can't even read my plea without taking a biased approached to answering, albeit one that is uninformed and idiotic on its face, but still

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
My point was this- is it true that Greenland was farmland 1000 years ago? do hurricaines come in 75 year cycles at the Gulf coast? You can't even read my plea without taking a biased approached to answering, albeit one that is uninformed and idiotic on its face, but still

Well, is it true?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
The link didn't work for me. But unless they coupled the ability to fire teachers with some sort of way to figure out what teachers were doing their job, I can't imagine I would be a panacea.

That link was wrong -- try this one. The post has not been updated to refer to studies suggesting that teachers unions generally improve student performance (!).

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
You are subtle. I take it your point was to show by example that when it comes to science the lay person (here you in the guise of poster trying to be smart assed) is too poorly educated to understand what he is talking about so he has to take the word of his choosen clergy, the scientists.

My point was this- is it true that Greenland was farmland 1000 years ago? do hurricaines come in 75 year cycles at the Gulf coast? You can't even read my plea without taking a biased approached to answering, albeit one that is uninformed and idiotic on its face, but still

I thought that the Icelanders named it Greenland to encourage plunderers and pilagers and other assorted doers of no good to head to the other land body in the vicinity.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I take it your point was to show by example that when it comes to science the lay person (here you in the guise of poster trying to be smart assed) is too poorly educated to understand what he is talking about so he has to take the word of his choosen clergy, the scientists.

Oh! Are we back on "y'all just worship science and it is really the same thing as worshiping words written down in a book a long time ago?"

That one is fun! (mostly because it actually make Hank look like an idiot, which is quite rare).

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
I think you have the burden of proof backwards. We are not on the hook, just the naive fools who believe the hype think they are on the hook. The people predicting the end of the world (or even just impending disaster) have a long record of false alarms, so until they bring some more conclusive evidence, they can be ignored.

Slave's post had nothing to do with the burden of proof -- it was a facile attempt at rebuttal. Actually, Slave was more interested in establishing that Gore is a hypocrite, which is fine as far as it goes, which is nowhere if what you care about is whether the climate is changing.

You said before that you were going to wait to make up your mind until sea levels were actually rising. So I pointed you to sources saying that sea levels have been rising. I can lead you to water, but I can't make you drink, even if it keeps rising.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Adder
Oh! Are we back on "y'all just worship science and it is really the same thing as worshiping words written down in a book a long time ago?"

That one is fun! (mostly because it actually make Hank look like an idiot, which is quite rare).

Speaking of science, I got this press release this morning. Made me very happy to read indeed.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Whether Jesus saves or not boils down to whether Jesus saves or not. But when Jim Baker or Jimmy Lee Swaggart hire hookers or rape women they kind of ruin their standing to tell us that we should tailor our lives to follow Jesus. You do agree with that at least, don't you?

If you decide to place your faith in whichever God has the holiest-seeming holy men, I think you're going to keep falling for the Bakers and Swaggarts. A lot of people read Martin Luther's theses without ever seeing him on TV.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
here is what is really stupid about the whole question: everyone seems to have bought into a side as a political issue.

The media cannot resist painting every controversy as a debate with exactly two sides. There are probably good economic reasons for them to do this. I think there are a lot of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents who are worried about climate change. But are there many Democrats who lean the other way?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Speaking of science, I got this press release this morning. Made me very happy to read indeed.

me too, but do you have any shots of Eva w/o the lab coat IYKWIMAITTYD?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
is it true that Greenland was farmland 1000 years ago?

Not as such, no.

Greenland was somewhat warmer, and Jared Diamond writes about Vikings who brought cattle with them. The cattle-dependent Vikings then died out, unlike the seal-dependent locals, as the climate grew colder.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you decide to place your faith in whichever God has the holiest-seeming holy men, I think you're going to keep falling for the Bakers and Swaggarts. A lot of people read Martin Luther's theses without ever seeing him on TV.

theses? I thought he nailed feces to the door. That's a major reason I stayed Catholic.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The media cannot resist painting every controversy as a debate with exactly two sides. There are probably good economic reasons for them to do this. I think there are a lot of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents who are worried about climate change. But are there many Democrats who lean the other way?

almost everyone who voted for Bush in 2000 supported the Iraq war, and so did a high percentage of the people that voted for Gore. Does that mean you agree the war made sense?