Still Hating America.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
How's Gonzo doing? Was he adequately prepared?

45 "I don't recalls" and 2 outright lies are the latest tally.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Don't they say that you shouldn't watch yourself eating sausage, but it tastes better than other meats?

eta: Sadly, I failed to relate your gossip about the thing until the thing was public, and then it wasn't news anymore.

Actually, it's more along the lines of one never wants to watch sausage being made.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Why must you and everyone else associate that grisly little creep with the Good Doctor's writing?

Call him "Dwarf Eric Estrada" or "Evil Don Ho" or something.

Even wingnut Coburn asks for Dwarf Eric Estrada to step down:

• "Since you apparently knew very little about the performance about the replaced United States attorneys, how can you testify that the judgment ought to stand?" asked Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.
  
  Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., asked Gonzales whether he had reviewed the evaluation records of the dismissed prosecutors, who Justice Department officials initially said had been fired for inadequate performance. He said he had not.
  
  Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., questioned Gonzales sharply over his insistence that one former prosecutor, Carol Lam of California, had been told of Justice Department concerns with her record on immigration violations. The senator said Lam had testified to the contrary.
  
  But given Gonzales' political need for Republican support, the line of questioning from several GOP lawmakers was ominous.
  
  "We have to evaluate whether you are really being forthright," Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record) bluntly informed the nation's chief law enforcement officer.
  
  The Pennsylvania Republican said Gonzales' description of his role in the firings was "significantly if not totally at variance with the facts."
  
  "Most of this is a stretch," Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), R-S.C., said after listening to Gonzales' explanation of the dismissals. "It's clear to me that some of these people just had personality conflicts with people in your office or the White House and (they) just made up reasons to fire them."
  
  Sen. Jeff Sessions (news, bio, voting record), R-Ala., said he was concerned about Gonzales' inability to recall a meeting he attended last November when the firings were discussed.

What I want to know is if Dwarf Eric Estrada's head was still completely up his ass when his brains were vacuumed out. If not, it could be a violation of federal law.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
People I have seen who have given birth or had a late miscarriage seem to be all distended and stuff even days afterwards.

you must be close to them.

[LessinSF]

all the stuff re viability, etc.

Viability is ultimately a ridiculous test as science advances. It won't be long before the blastocyte will be able to be removed from the uterus, cared for in a test tube, and inserted into a surrogate mother. Does this mean that the government can require a woman pregnant a mere two weeks undergo that procedure, and become that child's mother? And why would we want that (as Sebby points out - millions of unwanted babies)?

Birth is also a logically indefensible position for pro-choicers. If one argues that the mother can kill their child pre-birth, it follows that they should be able to kill it post-birth. And, in fact, common law recognized that children were considered animals until age 7. When that is combined with many parents realizing they have bred little monsters, parents should have the right (and the duty if they are aware they have bred an animal-torturing future serial killer) to put their rabid child down.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Like I said, I'm pro-choice, but having friends who've delivered live kids at 5 1/2 months, I start thinking about whether the baby could even be heard crying during the above procedure.

Yep. I have a new niece and nephew (twins) delivered at 26 weeks. After a few weeks in the NICU, they are healthy and doing fine. I vote pro-choice, but this subject deeply disturbs me, and I can't run around and pretend it is easy or subject to bright lines.

My first wife was a very politically aware feminist for whom abortion rights was essentially a litmus test. We discussed these issues from time to time, even before we were married. I told her honestly that, while I knew it had to be her choice, I would find it very difficult to maintain a relationship with a woman who had aborted a fetus I had fathered.

This really sounds odd out of context, but one of the most special things she ever said to me was sometime after that conversation, which she had clearly been thinking about, when she told me that she could never abort a child of mine.

I'm not sure why I wanted to tell that story. Flashbacks.

S_A_M

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter

Since Gonzo removed USAs for "performance reasons," why doesn't he remove himself from office?

he was on-board with the politically motivated Wisconsin prosecution. As you know that saves your job. Duh.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I'm not entirely convinced, especially given where it came from, that that image is an accurate representation of what happens with this procedure.

I'd think the baby/fetus would be much smaller almost always.

S_A_M

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Yep. I have a new niece and nephew (twins) delivered at 26 weeks. After a few weeks in the NICU, they are healthy and doing fine. I vote pro-choice, but this subject deeply disturbs me, and I can't run around and pretend it is easy or subject to bright lines.

My first wife was a very politically aware feminist for whom abortion rights was essentially a litmus test. We discussed these issues from time to time, even before we were married. I told her honestly that, while I knew it had to be her choice, I would find it very difficult to maintain a relationship with a woman who had aborted a fetus I had fathered.

This really sounds odd out of context, but one of the most special things she ever said to me was sometime after that conversation, which she had clearly been thinking about, when she told me that she could never abort a child of mine.

I'm not sure why I wanted to tell that story. Flashbacks.

S_A_M

Cute story. What if her health were in danger, or there were something horribly wrong with the fetus and it wouldn't live after birth anyway? It seems like this is something that people never really know what they will do until they are faced with the actual situation.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Yep. I have a new niece and nephew (twins) delivered at 26 weeks. After a few weeks in the NICU, they are healthy and doing fine. I vote pro-choice, but this subject deeply disturbs me, and I can't run around and pretend it is easy or subject to bright lines.

My first wife was a very politically aware feminist for whom abortion rights was essentially a litmus test. We discussed these issues from time to time, even before we were married. I told her honestly that, while I knew it had to be her choice, I would find it very difficult to maintain a relationship with a woman who had aborted a fetus I had fathered.

This really sounds odd out of context, but one of the most special things she ever said to me was sometime after that conversation, which she had clearly been thinking about, when she told me that she could never abort a child of mine.

I'm not sure why I wanted to tell that story. Flashbacks.

S_A_M

Don't blame your fucked up fetishes on acid.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by LessinSF
Viability is ultimately a ridiculous test as science advances. It won't be long before the blastocyte will be able to be removed from the uterus, cared for in a test tube, and inserted into a surrogate mother. Does this mean that the government can require a woman pregnant a mere two weeks undergo that procedure, and become that child's mother? And why would we want that (as Sebby points out - millions of unwanted babies)?

Birth is also a logically indefensible position for pro-choicers. If one argues that the mother can kill their child pre-birth, it follows that they should be able to kill it post-birth. And, in fact, common law recognized that children were considered animals until age 7. When that is combined with many parents realizing they have bred little monsters, parents should have the right (and the duty if they are aware they have bred an animal-torturing future serial killer) to put their rabid child down.

In Islamic countries they still can, up to when they get married.... that is if its a girl and she dishonors the family, like by being raped or something.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter

What I want to know is if Dwarf Eric Estrada's head was still completely up his ass when his brains were vacuumed out. If not, it could be a violation of federal law.

I just wanted to repost that.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
In Islamic countries they still can, up to when they get married.... that is if its a girl and she dishonors the family, like by being raped or something.

The war with Islam is soooo 2006. It's like the Izod retro fad.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you must be close to them.

My thought exactly . . .

S_A_M

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Yep. I have a new niece and nephew (twins) delivered at 26 weeks. After a few weeks in the NICU, they are healthy and doing fine. I vote pro-choice, but this subject deeply disturbs me, and I can't run around and pretend it is easy or subject to bright lines.

My first wife was a very politically aware feminist for whom abortion rights was essentially a litmus test. We discussed these issues from time to time, even before we were married. I told her honestly that, while I knew it had to be her choice, I would find it very difficult to maintain a relationship with a woman who had aborted a fetus I had fathered.

This really sounds odd out of context, but one of the most special things she ever said to me was sometime after that conversation, which she had clearly been thinking about, when she told me that she could never abort a child of mine.

I'm not sure why I wanted to tell that story. Flashbacks.

S_A_M

I vote pro-choice too but it's also a topic that greatly disturbs me. The viability and other bright line tests are useless. I much prefer talking with people who are either: (1) completely pro-choice, saying it's a matter between doc and woman (Sebby); or (2) someone who says "I know it's complicated but still, I am against killing fetuses at all" (total pro-life). Like your first wife, I also had abortion as a litmus test. But that was in my early 20's. Now, I could be with a pro-lifer or pro-choicer, as long as they weren't big proponents of the dreaded line tests.

By the way, I want to have your abortion.