Still Hating America.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Dude, in my experience, MODERATE women hate her. Most of the women I know hate her more than the men (most of the men are apolitical and vote for whomever gives them lower taxes).

My wife's very apolitical and still says "There's something about her that skeeves me out." All the Liberals I know love Obama and wish she'd drop dead.

I asked 3 Republican women and they said they might vote for her - they don't hate her and the secretly think it would be cool to have a female President. One Republican woman said no way would she vote for her. The fifth that I asked isn't really a true Repub but usually votes that way and she said she'd consider voting for her. Spanky's theory seems to work in my own admitedly small poll.

More importantly, I am sure the Baldwin-Basinger divorce is ugly but the Basinger camp has been saying Baldwin is a wingnut for some time. Sorry, but even considering how ugly divorce is.....that recording seals the case for Baldwin as complete asshole. The guy isn't saying "I made all the effort to talk to you and you aren't even there". No - it's all about how he "embarrased" him and "made him look like a fool." Um and he calls his 11 year old a "thoughtless little pig" and says she "doesn't have the brains or decency" of a human being. Maybe it's a Manson thing but I'm sensitive to the "pig" calling thing. Ick.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
I asked 3 Republican women and they said they might vote for her - they don't hate her and the secretly think it would be cool to have a female President. One Republican woman said no way would she vote for her. The fifth that I asked isn't really a true Repub but usually votes that way and she said she'd consider voting for her. Spanky's theory seems to work in my own admitedly small poll.

More importantly, I am sure the Baldwin-Basinger divorce is ugly but the Basinger camp has been saying Baldwin is a wingnut for some time. Sorry, but even considering how ugly divorce is.....that recording seals the case for Baldwin as complete asshole. The guy isn't saying "I made all the effort to talk to you and you aren't even there". No - it's all about how he "embarrased" him and "made him look like a fool." Um and he calls his 11 year old a "thoughtless little pig" and says she "doesn't have the brains or decency" of a human being. Maybe it's a Manson thing but I'm sensitive to the "pig" calling thing. Ick.

It's terribly odd for her to win based on gender.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Adder
Once again, you are comparing fringe interest groups/bloggers to the people who have been running the country since 1994. There is a seriously difference in the danger posed by the two groups.

Bill Cliton was a dangerous Jesus Freak?

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
It's terribly odd for her to win based on gender.

I don't know if she'll win the primary (or election itself) "based on gender", but I think there is a lot of sympathy out there (from me included) for the way she has been unfairly skewered in the media, starting with the "baking cookies" at home thing. (She has also been fairly skewered but I'm talking about the unfair). If she makes it to the ticket....a lot of women are going to realize this is the chance for the first woman Pres., and say, "Fuck It. You Know What? You Go Girl", and hit that button. I might.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Spanky
Is there a Democrat man or woman on this board that hates Hillary? Is there a Republican woman on this board that hates Hillary?

I am going to meet Frank Luntz next week and I am going to ask him about this. I will let you know what he says.

Almost every single Democrat I know hopes to high heaven that she doesn't get the nomination. Not exactly a scientific poll, but it does surprise me that I know more Republicans than Democrats that think she'll seal up the nomination. The non-Hillary Democratic argument is that the nation is too polarized right now, and her presidency, regardless of how well she does in office, wouldn't help matters at all. Her Presidency would simply entrench everyone into their respective corners.

I like Obama and Richardson before her, but if she won the nomination, I'd certainly vote for her. I'm not sure I'd give her money, as I would to the other two, but I'd vote for her. Maybe even put up a yard sign.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I like Obama and Richardson before her

Fat and Skinny had a race,
Fat fell down and broke his face,
Skinny said, "I won the race."
Fat said, "That's not fair."
Skinny said, "I don't care."

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Fat and Skinny had a race,
Fat fell down and broke his face,
Skinny said, "I won the race."
Fat said, "That's not fair."
Skinny said, "I don't care."

What's nice with this election is that the bar has been lowered so much that the appearance of competence will be enough to be president.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
More importantly, I am sure the Baldwin-Basinger divorce is ugly but the Basinger camp has been saying Baldwin is a wingnut for some time. Sorry, but even considering how ugly divorce is.....that recording seals the case for Baldwin as complete asshole. The guy isn't saying "I made all the effort to talk to you and you aren't even there". No - it's all about how he "embarrased" him and "made him look like a fool." Um and he calls his 11 year old a "thoughtless little pig" and says she "doesn't have the brains or decency" of a human being. Maybe it's a Manson thing but I'm sensitive to the "pig" calling thing. Ick.

So who released the Tape? Kim Bassinger? The Kid?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

The Seventh Circuit's decision in that Wisconsin case is out.

eta: The decision was written by Judge Easterbrook, and while he suggests that parts of the government's argument were "preposterous," he also seems to have gone out of his way to suggest good faith on the part of the prosecution:

• Sections 666 and 1346 have an open-ended quality that
  makes it possible for prosecutors to believe, and public
  employees to deny, that a crime has occurred, and for both
  sides to act in good faith with support in the case law.
  Courts can curtail some effects of statutory ambiguity
  but cannot deal with the source. This prosecution, which
  led to the conviction and imprisonment of a civil servant
  for conduct that, as far as this record shows, was designed
  to pursue the public interest as the employee understood
  it, may well induce Congress to take another look at the
  wisdom of enacting ambulatory criminal prohibitions.
  Haziness designed to avoid loopholes through which bad
  persons can wriggle can impose high costs on people the
  statute was not designed to catch.

That's from page 13 of the slip opinion.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Almost every single Democrat I know hopes to high heaven that she doesn't get the nomination. Not exactly a scientific poll, but it does surprise me that I know more Republicans than Democrats that think she'll seal up the nomination. The non-Hillary Democratic argument is that the nation is too polarized right now, and her presidency, regardless of how well she does in office, wouldn't help matters at all. Her Presidency would simply entrench everyone into their respective corners.

I like Obama and Richardson before her, but if she won the nomination, I'd certainly vote for her. I'm not sure I'd give her money, as I would to the other two, but I'd vote for her. Maybe even put up a yard sign.

Arent all the polls showing she is ahead? I went to a NARAL event and there was Hillary stuff everwhere. No one else. Whatever happens I think this may be the most interesting election of our lifetimes. For both partys it is much more open than usual. I think it is going to be a lot of fun.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Spanky
Arent all the polls showing she is ahead? I went to a NARAL event and there was Hillary stuff everwhere. No one else. Whatever happens I think this may be the most interesting election of our lifetimes. For both partys it is much more open than usual. I think it is going to be a lot of fun.

Dunno. I thought that last quarter's financial disclosures showed that Obama had more donors than she did, though hers gave on average more money.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Adder
I have no idea whether Reagan joked about bombing the Soviet union. But if he did, that probably wasn't very wise either.

He did, believing the mic was not yet live before his saturday radio address. Note that he had also signed legislation to outlaw russia. audio link

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
My wife's very apolitical and still says "There's something about her that skeeves me out."

Mine says that too, but I bet she supports her over a Republican male. In fact, her immediate question when I said I suported Sen. Clinton was "do you think she can win"?

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
All the Liberals I know love Obama and wish she'd drop dead.

I'm sure many do -- but those types will vote for her over any GOP nominee if she wins the primary. They learned a valuable lesson from what Nader did to Gore.

S_A_M

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The Seventh Circuit's decision in that Wisconsin case is out.

eta: The decision was written by Judge Easterbrook, and while he suggests that parts of the government's argument were "preposterous," he also seems to have gone out of his way to suggest good faith on the part of the prosecution:

I read it differently. I think he doesn't like the statute, and used this case to explain why those statutes, which have for some time been a controversial federal crime, are not particularly suitable to be kept as criminal statutes.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
It's terribly odd for her to win based on gender.

Almost ironic.

S_A_M