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04-23-2007, 11:24 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Originally posted by captain marvelous
Sebastian,
Don't be a dupe. W's puppetmasters plans may have been fucked up, but be clear, these fuck ups were not related to any independent thought or action of W, he has the capability for none. He is a frontman, a suit, for a criminal political autocracy, a crime syndicate, aka an Evil Bushian Empire.
If you know you're history, you know that Hitler wasn't the brains behind the nazis, just a convenient actor to lead the charge. Similarly, Jeb was slated by the crime syndicate to front the continuation of Poppy's malevolent schemes, but bad fate intervened and the Bush cabal was left with its weakest link, but they reckoned that his vast weaknesses would make him easy to lead and control.
What derailed those plans? Cheney. Why do you think Kucinich is targetting him?
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I can't remember -- is "syndicate" code here for the Masons or the Elks?
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04-24-2007, 12:39 PM
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World Ruler
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Poppie Bush isn't pulling that nitwit's strings. he wrote in his biography that going into Iraq would have been a disaster of exactly the stripe it's turned out to be.
Inside word is they barely speak, and Poppie's been beating W with the "Heavy Paddle" till he was bloody at every Skull & Bones get together since 2004.
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How soon after tapping W do you think S&B revisited its policy on legacies?
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04-24-2007, 12:50 PM
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Wild Rumpus Facilitator
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Cue Southern Patriot
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
that reminds me of sophmore year when i was lead alto in the Harvard University Choir, every week at Memorial Church.
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Did you sing soprano at other times or at other churches?
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04-24-2007, 12:52 PM
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Wild Rumpus Facilitator
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Originally posted by captain marvelous
Is it just me or has anyone else here noticed that W, while long a horrible public speaker and prone to insane malapropisms, has a noticeable slurring of words of late? One of my siblings is a speech pathologist and made this observation to me, which I have confirmed through the horror of actually listening to this buffoon rather than changing the station when he comes on. He sounds like Boris Yeltsin (may he rest in peace) delivering one of his worst vodka fueled inane ramblings. Or Regan after the Alzheimers starting flaring in 1980.
My sibling, as an expert in the field of speech says that there is certainly some cause to this affect, perhaps a stroke or more likely, in the case of a dry drunk, who was also a drug abuser up until the age of 40, and who never got treatment, a fall off the wagon. My other posit is that Cheney has his doctors hyping Bush up on some sort of psychotropic cocktail, which may be reacting to the booze as well.
Thoughts?
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You still look like you're made of chocolate.
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04-24-2007, 12:52 PM
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Wild Rumpus Facilitator
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Cue Southern Patriot
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I don't want anything from you, so n/a.
You never did that with a client? You never played neighborhood down to earth guy with the self-made developer, then shifted to rigid Episcopalian with the corporate lackey?
I've even pretended to be religious where the moment seemed to dictate it. Everybody does that stuff.
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Amen.
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04-24-2007, 12:56 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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An odd suggestion.
Wisconsin economist Steven Landsburg:
- The problem with democracy is not that politicians kowtow to financiers and lobbyists; it's that politicians kowtow to their own consituents, spending other people's money along the way. In other words, their incentives are all wrong. Effective reform should supply better incentives.
So if I could make just one change in the American political system, it would be to give each voter two votes in every congressional election. You'd get one vote to cast in your own district and another to cast in the district of your choice. When a congressman from West Virginia funnels taxpayers' money from fifty states to his home district, I want him to face the prospect that taxpayers from fifty states will share their feelings with him on election day.
link
eta: If you were trying to think of a way for game theorists to get consulting contracts from political parties, this seems like a good one.
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Last edited by Tyrone Slothrop; 04-24-2007 at 01:08 PM..
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04-24-2007, 01:21 PM
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Registered User
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Gonzales testimony
Honestly, is Bush RETARDED? He's like the only person on the planet who thought that testimony went well. Was there a recent blow to the head? Is someone poisoning him with brain-sucking toxin? WTF is wrong with that man???!!!???!!!
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04-24-2007, 01:24 PM
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Southern charmer
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Gonzales testimony
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Honestly, is Bush RETARDED? He's like the only person on the planet who thought that testimony went well. Was there a recent blow to the head? Is someone poisoning him with brain-sucking toxin? WTF is wrong with that man???!!!???!!!
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Perhaps Gonzo was actually sneaky brilliant.
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04-24-2007, 01:29 PM
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Moderator
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Gonzales testimony
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Honestly, is Bush RETARDED? He's like the only person on the planet who thought that testimony went well. Was there a recent blow to the head? Is someone poisoning him with brain-sucking toxin? WTF is wrong with that man???!!!???!!!
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He's just reading prepared remarks. He's basically Ron Burgundy, without the great hair.
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04-24-2007, 01:33 PM
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World Ruler
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Gonzales testimony
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Honestly, is Bush RETARDED? He's like the only person on the planet who thought that testimony went well. Was there a recent blow to the head? Is someone poisoning him with brain-sucking toxin? WTF is wrong with that man???!!!???!!!
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Ha. I watched a little of Fredo's perfomance this weekend on cspan. Comically pathetic. Never fear, though, Worsethannixon has FULL CONFIDENCE in him.
What is wrong with the people who still defend this administration???!!!???!!!
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04-24-2007, 01:33 PM
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Gonzales testimony
I actually agree that Bush probably agreed with everything Alberto said. But that doesn't mean the testimony went well in a macro sense. That means that Bush liked it. Because he's an idiot.
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04-24-2007, 01:34 PM
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Gonzales testimony
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
He's just reading prepared remarks. He's basically Ron Burgundy, without the great hair.
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Are you talking about Bush or Gonzalez?
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04-24-2007, 01:37 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Gonzales testimony
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Honestly, is Bush RETARDED? He's like the only person on the planet who thought that testimony went well. Was there a recent blow to the head? Is someone poisoning him with brain-sucking toxin? WTF is wrong with that man???!!!???!!!
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I think Bush feels that if he doesn't back Gonzales, he's showing weakness and asking for more trouble.
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“It was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
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04-24-2007, 01:39 PM
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World Ruler
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Gonzales testimony
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I actually agree that Bush probably agreed with everything Alberto said. But that doesn't mean the testimony went well in a macro sense. That means that Bush liked it. Because he's an idiot.
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Even if one supported his policies (whatever those are - he doesn't really seem to have any), why even bother to defend his execution of these policies? He's completely incompetent.
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04-24-2007, 01:41 PM
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Moderator
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Gonzales testimony
"Delusional" is a better description for anyone who'd even float that strategy.
The scary thing about that article isn't what Gonzales might have done, but the fact that such conniving debate techniques and strategies are now commonly enough understood to be written about in Slate. Hearings of that sort don't work where the party being questioned defines his own reality of his duties and obligations and answers within that framework, without consideration of what his inquisitors view as his responsibilities and limits of power.
You can get around a cross examination by convincing yourself that all questions need only be answered in the context of the operation of the hierarchy as you see it. Clinton did something like that in the Paula Jones and Lewinsky messes. He just viewed the thing as a political shows, and his obligation to be forthright as governed under the liberal standard of truth required in political debate. I think he was right to do so. The public understood it as a lie. That people are writing articles about what Clinton really did shows people understand these tricks, which isn;t good for society.
Unless you want a society of lawyers.
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