Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Spanky
Before the invasion I gave some friends the option of 100-1 odds that we would find WMDs in Iraq. No one took my bet. I thought it laughable that anyone thought that there might not be WMDs. If I were Bush, I don't care what the intelligence guys told me, there is no way you would have convinced me that Iraq had no WMDs. And if our intelligence was sure there were no WMDs why did our military take such precautions assuming that they did? No one entered that theater with out a full chemical suit.

How was Hussein going to get those WMDs to our shore? He was a fucking despot. He KILLED fundamentalists for years.

DESPOTS ARE INTERESTED IN SELF PRESERVATION. We could have kept him controlled forever. As longs as he stayed in scotch and whores, he'd never do more than make overblown threats. The Iraqi army turned out to be a fucking joke. His entire control appratus was a fabrication. The guy had a ragtag group of lackeys backing him up and scaaring the shit out of the citizenry to stay in charge. WE KILLED AN ENEMY WE HAD UNDER OUR THUMB IN FAVOR OF A NEW INSTABLE QUAGMIRE WHERE A TRUE NUCLEAR DISAATER COULD OCCUR SOMEDAY.

Ultimately, the Saudis are our biggest problem. But your dipshit hero is too busy sucking them off to do anything about the millions of out of wwork angry young Saudis. that regime will fall someday, and when it does, thaat place will become THE scariest motherfucking problem zone we'll ever know.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
1. WMD - Clinton, the Bipartisan Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he CIA, the UK, the French, Hans Blix, the UN, UNSCOM and the Israelis also all proclaimed that Saddam had WMDs. I guess your world is full of rubes and kool aid junkies.

Of course, you don't say WHEN these peoplem said Hussein had WMDs. I'll do it for you... They said he had them until several examinations of facilities indicated he probably didn't have them, at which point Blix said he needed more time. Bush, of course, wisely scotched thaat idea because every second that wentt by at that time was working against him, as international sentiment was growing against a war every day.

It was cooked from the fucking get go. Come on... You know a fucking pretext when you see one. You're a fucking lawyer...

The Isrealis? They'd say Hussein had intercontinental ballistic missiles to effect regime change in the Mid East.

[SlaveNoMore]

sebastian_dangerfield
Of course, you don't say WHEN these peoplem said Hussein had WMDs. I'll do it for you... They said he had them until several examinations of facilities indicated he probably didn't have them, at which point Blix said he needed more time. Bush, of course, wisely scotched thaat idea because every second that wentt by at that time was working against him, as international sentiment was growing against a war every day.

It was cooked from the fucking get go. Come on... You know a fucking pretext when you see one. You're a fucking lawyer...

The Isrealis? They'd say Hussein had intercontinental ballistic missiles to effect regime change in the Mid East.

I'd rather not google up one for every group listed, but just for starters:

1) Bill Clinton:

"Former US president Bill Clinton said in October, 2003 during a visit to Portugal that he was convinced Iraq had weapons of mass destruction up until the fall of Saddam Hussein, Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Manuel Durao Barroso said.

"When Clinton was here recently he told me he was absolutely convinced, given his years in the White House and the access to privileged information which he had, that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction until the end of the Saddam regime," he said in an interview with Portuguese cable news channel SIC Noticias."

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I'd rather not google up one for every group listed, but just for starters:

1) Bill Clinton:

"Former US president Bill Clinton said in October, 2003 during a visit to Portugal that he was convinced Iraq had weapons of mass destruction up until the fall of Saddam Hussein, Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Manuel Durao Barroso said.

"When Clinton was here recently he told me he was absolutely convinced, given his years in the White House and the access to privileged information which he had, that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction until the end of the Saddam regime," he said in an interview with Portuguese cable news channel SIC Noticias."

So lemme get this straight... The man who can't be believed on anything - King Liar - is suddenly the proof supporting Bush? Thats rich. If he lied or misrepresented for political gain for so long, why are you suddenly so quick to cite him here? You suddenly think he was being entirely honest? And the best you have is a hearsay quote? You don't try cases, do you?

What did Blix have to say about it? His quotes are pretty numerous, aren't they? Wasn't he rather scathing about Bush's refusal to go through with inspections? Oh, and what about the US inspector who tore Bush's intelligence a new ass after the invasion? What ever happened to him?

[Replaced_Texan]

Interesting debate going on over at the Indiana University School of Law in Indanapolis.

Lots of discussion about this article.

Gist is that an assistant professor who recently was recently approved by the faculty to associate professor after three years of teaching was denied contract extension. He says that it's becauase he is pro-war and refused to sign a letter of support for Ward Churchill.

There's a fauclty member in the comments at Volokh who denies the allegation but doesn't really go further into reasons that the contract wasn't extended. More discussion from current students here, here and here.

It seems that everyone agrees that the article was poorly written. The article suggests that he sought tenure, when he's not eligible for tenure for three more years.

Other than that, go read the Volokh discussion. I think it's interesting.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
You make about as much sense as your socks.

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What doesn't make sense. Public schools are a disaster. Cause: teachers unions. Do you have trouble understanding the first sentence or the second?

The third point woven in there (Billmore comment) is that the public schools have gradually gone downhill and our experience (given our relatively similar middle age) is not what current students or their parents encounter. And I think you know that given your demographics.

Originally posted by Sidd Finch

I suppose we could've let Europe fall, and done nothing to deal with an enemy that had declared war on us and sent its navy into our waters (yes, I'm talking about Germany). After all, it's not like they had non-existent WMDs, or anything real to worry about..

So Germany and the German navy posed an active threat? Cite please? Was is those half dozen Germans who landed on Long Island?

Originally posted by Sidd Finch

No, but you are obviously a dick, who cannot tell the difference between a statement of present intention and a statement of purported fact.
Unless, of course, you maintain that Bush was lying when he said he was against nation-building. Circumstances change.

So Roosevelt was just making a statement of present intent without no ulterior motive and his actions in lend lease completely to the contrary were just coindental and those statements of present intent were not intended to get him another term where he could affect his real intentions? And I am the dick? Fuck you (in the best possible way).

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Well, if it seemed obvious to you, then thank god.

Seems like it seemed obvious to about 59M of us.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Give it time. President Jeb will need a legacy too.

And President George P. Bush after him.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
How was Hussein going to get those WMDs to our shore?

US Mail? Nah, you could never mail anthrax...

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield


DESPOTS ARE INTERESTED IN SELF PRESERVATION. We could have kept him controlled forever. As longs as he stayed in scotch and whores, he'd never do more than make overblown threats. The Iraqi army turned out to be a fucking joke. His entire control appratus was a fabrication. .

Yes, the Iran-Iraq war and his aggression in Kuwait illustrate your points.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield


Ultimately, the Saudis are our biggest problem. But your dipshit hero is too busy sucking them off to do anything about the millions of out of wwork angry young Saudis. that regime will fall someday, and when it does, thaat place will become THE scariest motherfucking problem zone we'll ever know.

I agree with this. One good approach is take out Mecca and Medina now, nationalize the oilfields and be done with it, but your liberal pals would piss their already soaked diapers.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Of course, you don't say WHEN these peoplem said Hussein had WMDs. I'll do it for you... They said he had them until several examinations of facilities indicated he probably didn't have them, at which point Blix said he needed more time.

More time? Yes, because 10 years wasn't enough. OTOH, Bush isn't even allowed 2 years to complete the success story he has set in motion. Nice consistency.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
So lemme get this straight... The man who can't be believed on anything - King Liar - is suddenly the proof supporting Bush? Thats rich. If he lied or misrepresented for political gain for so long, why are you suddenly so quick to cite him here? You suddenly think he was being entirely honest? And the best you have is a hearsay quote? You don't try cases, do you?

What did Blix have to say about it? His quotes are pretty numerous, aren't they? Wasn't he rather scathing about Bush's refusal to go through with inspections? Oh, and what about the US inspector who tore Bush's intelligence a new ass after the invasion? What ever happened to him?

Anyone who agrees with Bush is wrong, even those people, like Bubba, who you normally idolize, and everyone who disagrees with Bush is an expert.

Now I understand.

[Penske_Account]

a first! unbelievable!

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And President George P. Bush after him.

I hung out with George P. Trust me. You don't want him to become President.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
I hung out with George P. Trust me. You don't want him to become President.

He's the JFK Jr. of our party, no?

[sgtclub]

Round and round and round we go . . .

There's no changing minds on this topic, but I'll admit, it's good to see some passion back on this board. It's been missing for a long while.

To Sidd and Ty: I wasn't ignoring your posts where you chided me on the murder rate. I just got sick of the bait and switch you both were pulling. You continuously want to lump in the invasion and 2003-mid 2004 post invasion numbers together, instead of looking at the numbers as they exist in 05. Apples and oranges. You also don't want to recognize that, of course, the death rate in the middle of a conflict in an unstable nation is going to be higher than the number in stable democracy at peace. The issue is simply one of perspective, which I understand your side has difficulty grasping. Instead, we are back to the Bush Lied mantra. It's just so 2004.