Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Spanky
It is you ridiculously self-righteous "aren't we all victims" types that really help recruitment for the Republican Party. So I guess I should be thankful.

It's an open question who has the bigger, more ridiculous cast of whiners.

• ""the long war on Christianity in America continues today on the floor of the House of Representatives...unabated with aid and comfort to those who would eradicate any vestige of our Christian heritage being supplied by the usual suspects, the Democrats.
  "Like a moth to a flame, Democrats can't help themselves when it comes to denigrating and demonizing Christians."

Boo fuckin' hoo. Poor rich white Christians. Fuckin' Pharisees.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by ironweed
Thank goodness it's all gone now, like racism. And both scourges banished from society without all of that irritating whining we hear from the left these days. Get with the program, indeed.

Apropos on nothing, I get called "little lady" by judges at hearings all the time. And I ain't even a chick.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
the only acceptable ism that the anti-bias anti-intellectual PC left wing will tolerate is anti-rightism. Peace and tolerance except for the Christians, Republicans, W voters, anyone with an honest difference of opinion on abortion rights or anyone who strays off the Democrat Plantation. Maybe you need to get with the program cowgirl!

Jesus was a liberal Jew.

[Hank Chinaski]

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by robustpuppy

If the makeup were 7 to 2 the other way, the balance of power between men and women in our society would clearly be different, so the comment would have different import. Bigotry is contextual and related to the balance of power, not objected. And I didn't say it was "bigoted," I said it was "demeaning."

That is not to say that O'Connor is not a powerful woman. It is to say that such a comment can have the effect of diminishing a powerful woman's accomplishments. That's why it's irksome.

What if she considers it a compliment or just an acceptable lighthearted description in the context? Who are you to judge how she interprets it or wants to be characterised? The arrogance of the left knows no bounds.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by Spanky
1) I never said that there was no sexism today.

2) This post assumes that all this censoring of speech helps reduce racism and sexism. I think that is a ridiculous assumption.

3) The statement that she rose from a cowgirl to being on the supreme court is not sexist. And trying to label it as sexist diminishes the legitimacy of critisizing other comments that really are sexist. If you cry wolf too many times people stop taking you seriously.

Who's censoring? There's a huge difference between criticizing comments by powerful people and censorship. Uh, I think there might even be some principle relating to the former that informs that little thingy we have, what's it called again honey, help me out here, I'm just a cavegirl, your laws frighten and confuse me, uh ... the First Amendment?

Originally posted by Spanky
1) I never said that there was no sexism today.

Gotcha.

2) This post assumes that all this censoring of speech helps reduce racism and sexism. I think that is a ridiculous assumption.

What censoring of speech? Someone complains that the comments are patronizing, and you tell them to take the stick out of their ass? Where's the censorship? You're the one telling someone to shut.the.fuck.up.

3) The statement that she rose from a cowgirl to being on the supreme court is not sexist. And trying to label it as sexist diminishes the legitimacy of critisizing other comments that really are sexist. If you cry wolf too many times people stop taking you seriously.

Ok. Good thing there is an objective standard as to what's sexist, and what's not, and you know what it is, and everyone who complains about what they perceive as sexist should just shut.the.fuck.up. I have heard the "cry wolf" line from lots and lots of people from Orville Faubus on down to the construction worker on the corner who are shocked, shocked to find that someone could consider their behaviour racist or sexist.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
What if she considers it a compliment or just an acceptable lighthearted description in the context? Who are you to judge how she interprets it or wants to be characterised? The arrogance of the left knows no bounds.

You're one of those who think you've license to use the n-word because you've purchased a Slum Village CD? It really matters not what she hears or thinks. What matters is what young women around the country hear the President say about a remarkably accomplished women. His comment was ill-advised.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
You're one of those who think you've license to use the n-word because you've purchased a Slum Village CD? It really matters not what she hears or thinks. What matters is what young women around the country hear the President say about a remarkably accomplished women. His comment was ill-advised.

Agreed, but it also matters that old men hear it. And preternaturally youthful men. And innocent and earnest men with childlike avatars. And old women (including spinsters). And fetuses of undisclosed gender.

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
You're one of those who think you've license to use the n-word because you've purchased a Slum Village CD? It really matters not what she hears or thinks. What matters is what young women around the country hear the President say about a remarkably accomplished women. His comment was ill-advised.

Thanks, but that's too long for the t-shirt.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Spanky
It is you ridiculously self-righteous "aren't we all victims" types that really help recruitment for the Republican Party. So I guess I should be thankful.

And it's your patting us on the head and telling us that we're just being silly that pisses us off even more.

Yes - O'Conner was discriminated against when she got out. Even though she was number three in her class at Stanford (Rehnquist was #1) she had a really tough time finding a job. But how infuriating? Where you not aware that there was serious sexism in the U.S. in the 1950s?

Uh. Yeah. I heard about it once or twice. It may have even extended past the 1950s.

Since when is being called a cowgirl an insult? My mother grew up on a ranch, and she likes to be called a cowgirl. She used to compete in Rodeos and thinks it is a compliment. To show she can compete with the cowboys.

I grew up on a ranch too. If I'm herding cattle, I don't mind being called a cowgirl either, though I prefer rancher. When I'm practicing law, my ranching activities are irrelevent.

And I'd be irritated about being called "old" or "simple" regardless of whether or not they were talking about my ranching skills or my legal skills.

Here is Bush and Frist tying to compliment her and you guys freak out. And what does the makeup of the court have to do with it? The phrase would be OK if there were more Women? That doesn't make any sense at all. Either the phrase is bigoted or it is not.

Lighten up Francis.

Oh, get the little lady a cold compress! She's hysterical.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Ha. I am not a ridiculously self righteous "we are all victims type," nor is RT. Actually, I am rather lighthearted.

My very point is that there was serious sexism in the 50s but that it's not entirely gone now.

If the makeup were 7 to 2 the other way, the balance of power between men and women in our society would clearly be different, so the comment would have different import. Bigotry is contextual and related to the balance of power, not objective. And I didn't say it was "bigoted," I said it was "demeaning."

That is not to say that O'Connor is not a powerful woman. It is to say that such a comment can have the effect of diminishing a powerful woman's accomplishments. That's why it's irksome. Surely you don't think the mere fact that something is "meant as a compliment" means that it can't be demeaning, do you, cutie pie?

I wouldn't describe my reaction as "freaking out," either. But you probably just think I'm some hysterical feminazi man-hater, don't you, my sweet little deerlick?

"Bigotry is contextual and related to the balance of power, not objective"

So everytime I make a comment I need to analyse the power situation between the person that is the object of my comment and other members of the society they occupy and adjust my language accordingly? It is this type of justification to oversensitivity that has caused such a huge backlash against political correctness. The end result is that being called Politcaly Correct, or part of the PC police, is almost as insulting as being called a racist and definitely more insulting than being called sexist. The backlash to this oversensitivity has given comfort and ammunition to the racists and I find that 'irksome".

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Spanky
"Bigotry is contextual and related to the balance of power, not objective"

So everytime I make a comment I need to analyse the power situation between the person that is the object of my comment and other members of the society they occupy and adjust my language accordingly? It is this type of justification to oversensitivity that has caused such a huge backlash against political correctness. The end result is that being called Politcaly Correct, or part of the PC police, is almost as insulting as being called a racist and definitely more insulting than being called sexist. The backlash to this oversensitivity has given comfort and ammunition to the racists and I find that 'irksome".

Right. The oversensitive types need to control themselves, since the backlash types who respond irrationally to the oversensitive types are unable to do so.

Seems some lightening up needs to be done on both sides.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by Spanky
"Bigotry is contextual and related to the balance of power, not objective"

So everytime I make a comment I need to analyse the power situation between the person that is the object of my comment and other members of the society they occupy and adjust my language accordingly? It is this type of justification to oversensitivity that has caused such a huge backlash against political correctness. The end result is that being called Politcaly Correct, or part of the PC police, is almost as insulting as being called a racist and definitely more insulting than being called sexist. The backlash to this oversensitivity has given comfort and ammunition to the racists and I find that 'irksome".

This is pretty ridiculous. I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the President and the Prince of Darkness.

And you know what, yes -- you too should try to refrain from making public comments that could be considered demeaning. If you don't, you might get criticized. Some of that criticism might be warranted in the mind of a reasonable person, some might not. Opinions will vary. But if you can't handle the criticism or adjust your comments after making a judgment about its validity, maybe it is you who is "oversensitive."

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Right. The oversensitive types need to control themselves, since the backlash types who respond irrationally to the oversensitive types are unable to do so.

Seems some lightening up needs to be done on both sides.

FOR THE SECOND TIME, I AM LIGHTHEARTED!!!!