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06-08-2005, 03:08 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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Sour Grapes on CAFTA?
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Indeed, the very premise that this entire discussion started with -- thou shalt support Republicans if thou believest in the free markets -- is demonstrative of your absolutist views and your absolutist arguments, as is your view that all business lobbies are good, wonderful, pro-growth people.
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Without a real opposition, legislators on both sides are free to dole out the pork to business interests and unions, their strongest supporters. Power corrupts, and neither side has a monopoly on virtue. The only way to ensure that they represent the public interest instead of these particular interests is to stand in the middle, and thrown your support to people on both sides of the aisle.
Elizabeth Drew, who has been reporting from Washington for a long time, has a piece in the most recent NYRB describing the degree to which the GOP has sold its soul to corporate lobbyists. Here's a taste:
- Abramoff's behavior is symptomatic of the unprecedented corruption—the intensified buying and selling of influence over legislation and federal policy —that has become endemic in Washington under a Republican Congress and White House. Corruption has always been present in Washington, but in recent years it has become more sophisticated, pervasive, and blatant than ever. A friend of mine who works closely with lobbyists says, "There are no restraints now; business groups and lobbyists are going crazy—they're in every room on Capitol Hill writing the legislation. You can't move on the Hill without giving money."
This remark is only slightly exaggerated. For over ten years, but particularly since George W. Bush took office, powerful Republicans, among them Tom DeLay and Senator Rick Santorum, of Pennsylvania, have been carrying out what they call the "K Street Project," an effort to place more Republicans and get rid of Democrats in the trade associations and major national lobbying organizations that have offices on K Street in downtown Washington (although, of course, some have offices elsewhere).
The Republican purge of K Street is a more thorough, ruthless, vindictive, and effective attack on Democratic lobbyists and other Democrats who represent businesses and other organizations than anything Washington has seen before. The Republicans don't simply want to take care of their friends and former aides by getting them high-paying jobs: they want the lobbyists they helped place in these jobs and other corporate representatives to arrange lavish trips for themselves and their wives; to invite them to watch sports events from skyboxes; and, most important, to provide a steady flow of campaign contributions. The former aides become part of their previous employers' power networks. Republican leaders also want to have like-minded people on K Street who can further their ideological goals by helping to formulate their legislative programs, get them passed, and generally circulate their ideas. When I suggested to Grover Norquist, the influential right-wing leader and the leading enforcer of the K Street Project outside Congress, that numerous Democrats on K Street were not particularly ideological and were happy to serve corporate interests, he replied, "We don't want nonideological people on K Street, we want conservative activist Republicans on K Street."
The K Street Project has become critical to the Republicans' efforts to control all the power centers in Washington: the White House, Congress, the courts—and now, at least, an influential part of the corporate world, the one that raises most of the political money. It's another way for Republicans to try to impose their programs on the country. The Washington Post reported recently that House Majority Whip Roy Blunt, of Missouri, has established "a formal, institutionalized alliance" with K Street lobbyists. They have become an integral part of the legislative process by helping to get bills written and passed—and they are rewarded for their help by the fees paid by their clients. Among the results are legislation that serves powerful private interests all the more openly—as will be seen, the energy bill recently passed by the House is a prime example —and a climate of fear that is new. The conservative commentator David Brooks said on PBS's NewsHour earlier this year, "The biggest threat to the Republican majority is the relationship on K Street with corporate lobbyists and the corruption that is entailed in that." But if the Republicans are running a risk of being seen as overreaching in their takeover of K Street, there are few signs that they are concerned about it.
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Last year retribution was taken against the Motion Picture Association of America, which—after first approaching without success a Republican congressman about to retire— hired as its new head Dan Glickman, a former Democratic representative from Kansas and secretary of agriculture in the Clinton administration. Republicans had warned the MPAA not to hire a Democrat for the job. After Glickman was hired, House Republicans removed from a pending bill some $1.5 billion in tax relief for the motion picture industry. Norquist told me, "No other industry is interested in taking a $1.5 billion hit to hire a Clinton friend." After Glickman was selected, the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call reported last year, "Santorum has begun discussing what the consequences are for the movie industry." Norquist said publicly that the appointment of Glickman was "a studied insult" and the motion picture industry's "ability to work with the House and the Senate is greatly reduced."
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06-08-2005, 03:12 PM
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#317
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Proud Holder-Post 200,000
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Sour Grapes on CAFTA?
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Without a real opposition, legislators on both sides are free to dole out the pork to business interests and unions, their strongest supporters. Power corrupts, and neither side has a monopoly on virtue. The only way to ensure that they represent the public interest instead of these particular interests is to stand in the middle, and thrown your support to people on both sides of the aisle.
Elizabeth Drew, who has been reporting from Washington for a long time, has a piece in the most recent NYRB describing the degree to which the GOP has sold its soul to corporate lobbyists. Here's a taste:
- Abramoff's behavior is symptomatic of the unprecedented corruption—the intensified buying and selling of influence over legislation and federal policy —that has become endemic in Washington under a Republican Congress and White House. Corruption has always been present in Washington, but in recent years it has become more sophisticated, pervasive, and blatant than ever. A friend of mine who works closely with lobbyists says, "There are no restraints now; business groups and lobbyists are going crazy—they're in every room on Capitol Hill writing the legislation. You can't move on the Hill without giving money."
This remark is only slightly exaggerated. For over ten years, but particularly since George W. Bush took office, powerful Republicans, among them Tom DeLay and Senator Rick Santorum, of Pennsylvania, have been carrying out what they call the "K Street Project," an effort to place more Republicans and get rid of Democrats in the trade associations and major national lobbying organizations that have offices on K Street in downtown Washington (although, of course, some have offices elsewhere).
The Republican purge of K Street is a more thorough, ruthless, vindictive, and effective attack on Democratic lobbyists and other Democrats who represent businesses and other organizations than anything Washington has seen before. The Republicans don't simply want to take care of their friends and former aides by getting them high-paying jobs: they want the lobbyists they helped place in these jobs and other corporate representatives to arrange lavish trips for themselves and their wives; to invite them to watch sports events from skyboxes; and, most important, to provide a steady flow of campaign contributions. The former aides become part of their previous employers' power networks. Republican leaders also want to have like-minded people on K Street who can further their ideological goals by helping to formulate their legislative programs, get them passed, and generally circulate their ideas. When I suggested to Grover Norquist, the influential right-wing leader and the leading enforcer of the K Street Project outside Congress, that numerous Democrats on K Street were not particularly ideological and were happy to serve corporate interests, he replied, "We don't want nonideological people on K Street, we want conservative activist Republicans on K Street."
The K Street Project has become critical to the Republicans' efforts to control all the power centers in Washington: the White House, Congress, the courts—and now, at least, an influential part of the corporate world, the one that raises most of the political money. It's another way for Republicans to try to impose their programs on the country. The Washington Post reported recently that House Majority Whip Roy Blunt, of Missouri, has established "a formal, institutionalized alliance" with K Street lobbyists. They have become an integral part of the legislative process by helping to get bills written and passed—and they are rewarded for their help by the fees paid by their clients. Among the results are legislation that serves powerful private interests all the more openly—as will be seen, the energy bill recently passed by the House is a prime example —and a climate of fear that is new. The conservative commentator David Brooks said on PBS's NewsHour earlier this year, "The biggest threat to the Republican majority is the relationship on K Street with corporate lobbyists and the corruption that is entailed in that." But if the Republicans are running a risk of being seen as overreaching in their takeover of K Street, there are few signs that they are concerned about it.
* * * * *
Last year retribution was taken against the Motion Picture Association of America, which—after first approaching without success a Republican congressman about to retire— hired as its new head Dan Glickman, a former Democratic representative from Kansas and secretary of agriculture in the Clinton administration. Republicans had warned the MPAA not to hire a Democrat for the job. After Glickman was hired, House Republicans removed from a pending bill some $1.5 billion in tax relief for the motion picture industry. Norquist told me, "No other industry is interested in taking a $1.5 billion hit to hire a Clinton friend." After Glickman was selected, the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call reported last year, "Santorum has begun discussing what the consequences are for the movie industry." Norquist said publicly that the appointment of Glickman was "a studied insult" and the motion picture industry's "ability to work with the House and the Senate is greatly reduced."
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when you built civilizations on Civ, what sort of tax struture did you implement?
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06-08-2005, 03:24 PM
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#318
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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Science Marches On
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Anyone see the article today about White House official Phil Clooney (formerly of American Petroleum Institute) made "edits" to reports by gov't scientists on climate change?
Lovely. Just fucking lovely. Let the lobbyists and the political hacks tell the scientists what to say.
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It's an effort to free the markets.
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“It was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
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06-08-2005, 03:39 PM
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#319
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No Rank For You!
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: the land of righteous truth
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Bring back the coathangers!
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
boyfriend to kick her in the stomach. Week later, she miscarries.
He's now serving a 40 year prison sentence for fetal murder.
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Anyone who would engage in intentional and violent physical behavior to kill a baby (even of the fetal variety) is a dangerous sociopath and needs and deserves to be locked up.
How come he was not also charged with practicing medicine without a license? that could have been another 5 years to run consecutively.
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06-08-2005, 03:49 PM
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#320
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No Rank For You!
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: the land of righteous truth
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Huh?
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
My real school is Harvard, but my internet persona went to GW. There're homeless there.
Was your school associated with a prison, it sounds well-guarded?
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Harvard is associated with a prison ,albeit for liberal propanganda purposes..
speaking of Harvard, was this you Hank?
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06-08-2005, 03:52 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Pop goes the chupacabra
Posts: 18,532
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Science Marches On
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Anyone see the article today about White House official Phil Clooney (formerly of American Petroleum Institute) made "edits" to reports by gov't scientists on climate change?
Lovely. Just fucking lovely. Let the lobbyists and the political hacks tell the scientists what to say.
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He's a political hack, to be sure, but he's not a lobbyist--he was employed by the White House.
Note that the story was identified by a disgruntled former employee.
Anyway, who takes as serious science anything emanating from the WH?
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06-08-2005, 04:03 PM
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#322
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In my dreams ...
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Sour Grapes on CAFTA?
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
when you built civilizations on Civ, what sort of tax struture did you implement?
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I'll bet it was a flat tax.
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06-08-2005, 04:05 PM
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#323
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 33,053
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Sour Grapes on CAFTA?
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
I'll bet it was a flat tax.
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If you build the Adam Smith Wonder in Civ II, you don't really need to worry about taxes. The easiest way to do this is to get your population to drink the Kool-Ade.
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“It was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
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06-08-2005, 04:10 PM
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#324
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PTL
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: the Shining City upon a Hill
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Sour Grapes on CAFTA?
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
I'll bet it was a flat tax.
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I have a dream where every person, regardless of income or wealth, pays the exact same price for the freedoms we all have the opportunity to enjoy equally.
Until that day come, I will continue to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights to ensure the protection of my freedom, liberty and property rights.
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06-08-2005, 04:17 PM
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#325
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Flyover land
Posts: 19,042
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Sour Grapes on CAFTA?
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you build the Adam Smith Wonder in Civ II, you don't really need to worry about taxes. The easiest way to do this is to get your population to drink the Kool-Ade.
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First the Great Library, then the Pyramids, then Leonardo's Invention, then Adam Smith's Bank (or whatever), then the Hoover Dam. I may have missed a couple, but those are definitely key. The UN can be good, too, but Library, Pyramids and Leonardo (and, later, Adam Smith) really get you off to a great start.
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06-08-2005, 04:37 PM
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#326
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Random Syndicate (admin)
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Romantically enfranchised
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Homeland
New posters on the MARC between DC and Baltimore.
via Wonkette The motto "watch, ride and report" could easily be that of the FB.
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06-08-2005, 04:44 PM
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#327
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World Ruler
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 12,057
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Sour Grapes on CAFTA?
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
First the Great Library, then the Pyramids, then Leonardo's Invention, then Adam Smith's Bank (or whatever), then the Hoover Dam. I may have missed a couple, but those are definitely key. The UN can be good, too, but Library, Pyramids and Leonardo (and, later, Adam Smith) really get you off to a great start.
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Sun Tzu's Academy is good to have in II (barracks in every city on the continent), but I can't remember what the equivalent was in II. Bach's Cathedral is also also helpful.
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"More than two decades later, it is hard to imagine the Revolutionary War coming out any other way."
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06-08-2005, 04:45 PM
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#328
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Proud Holder-Post 200,000
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Corner Office
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Sour Grapes on CAFTA?
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Sun Tzu's Academy is good to have in II (barracks in every city on the continent), but I can't remember what the equivalent was in II. Bach's Cathedral is also also helpful.
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So would a girlfriend have been.
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I will not suffer a fool- but I do seem to read a lot of their posts
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06-08-2005, 04:47 PM
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#329
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World Ruler
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 12,057
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Sour Grapes on CAFTA?
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
So would a girlfriend have been.
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No, they interrupt the game.
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"More than two decades later, it is hard to imagine the Revolutionary War coming out any other way."
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06-08-2005, 04:58 PM
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#330
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Flyover land
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Sour Grapes on CAFTA?
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Sun Tzu's Academy is good to have in II (barracks in every city on the continent), but I can't remember what the equivalent was in II. Bach's Cathedral is also also helpful.
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Since I usually arrange to have a continent to myself, and avoid any fighting other than defensive fighting, I focused on things other than the war academy thingy. What's the other thing that makes everyone happy (not just people in the city it's in), besides Bach's Cathedral? I think you have to have B's C to get it, but I can't recall what it is.
If these are not the names in III, then I have been playing II.
I may play some tonight. For old time's sake. Times'. Whichever.
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