Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
ETA: I agree with this guy over at the Cato Institute quoted in the above article:

• What do we know about John Roberts? Not much. Yes, Roberts is one of the most highly respected lawyers of his generation. He has also spent vanishingly little time on the bench. Is it too early for pundits of all stripes to take a dose of humility and admit the obvious? We have no idea what kind of a justice he will be.

Well put. Although I imagine people at DOJ and the White House know him better than the rest of us do.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
hey, thats the free market at work. But don't worry. Penske only opted out of the college tuition, so he's still on the hook.

You do have an integration clause in the contract, right? His people will be trying to renegotiate/introduce parol evidence to weasel out.

Babydoll, it's not my contract. I'm with you on this. It was some thing that DS and Slave and Less get all hot and bothered about. Would it work in real life? No. Would it overall increase utility in the world? No.

Or, that's my take on it, but I forget the details.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account

I suppose when we restructure our society to one of utopianistic anarchy we will all have all the choices we want. My first choice will be to implicitly retain and exercise my Second Amendment rights, as needed if the liberal rabble rousers attempt to limit my choices.

Of course. You get all the guns you like. Just stay the fuck out of everyone else's reproductive business.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Well put. Although I imagine people at DOJ and the White House know him better than the rest of us do.

Maybe not. Remember Bernie Kerik?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by nononono
Of course I don't, and yes, I expected that to be an answer. Of course I don't have a counter to it, which is fine by me.

(Birth defects or "slowness" comes in a lot of variations, just as an aside).

If we're assuming severe birth defects here - I would never, ever want to have that happen to a child of mine, and when I got back a test result that led to an amnio (no problems, thank God - I'm not posting a personal story), I certainly felt I could not handle a severely disabled child. Wouldn't want to, couldn't, whatever. Pretty sure what I would do. Having had the benefit of a few years as a parent, though, what you think you can or are willing to handle really often does morph. No, ltl/fb, not transformed through the magic of childbirth, but it shifts. If you know it won't, then you're right not to go down that road at all.

2. In part. I have had a friend and a close relative face the issue of a catastrophically disabled unborn child and what to do with it. I offered no advice, because I didn't think it was my place. I just tried to be understanding and supportive. It did cause me to be close enough to the issue to think through what I would do and maybe through the magic of my other parenthoods I decided I couldn't take the unborn child out, if I had to deal with it. Sometimes tests are wrong, sometimes technology changes. Life with kids is never perfect, lots can go wrong. For me I choose the culture of life. In honour of Terri Schiavo, the martyr.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Just make sure they don't graduate HS until they're 18. Problem solved.

flip it then. I will pick up tuition, I want to opt out of food and clothing ad shelter.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
All of the lies proffered by Ty and TurdShifter have come from blogs.

Find me one of my lies, jackass. I don't accuse other people of lying lightly. Why are you in such a bad mood lately?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Babydoll, it's not my contract. I'm with you on this. It was some thing that DS and Slave and Less get all hot and bothered about. Would it work in real life? No. Would it overall increase utility in the world? No.

Or, that's my take on it, but I forget the details.

Oh, I'm with you. I was just offering a silly example of what you'd be facing if you had such a contract with Penske.

Penske seems to like the opt out also. But he would... shit, they all would. They're all full of moral hot air until it matters, then they're all about escaping responsibility.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
2. In part. I have had a friend and a close relative face the issue of a catastrophically disabled unborn child and what to do with it. I offered no advice, because I didn't think it was my place. I just tried to be understanding and supportive. It did cause me to be close enough to the issue to think through what I would do and maybe through the magic of my other parenthoods I decided I couldn't take the unborn child out, if I had to deal with it. Sometimes tests are wrong, sometimes technology changes. Life with kids is never perfect, lots can go wrong. For me I choose the culture of life. In honour of Terri Schiavo, the martyr.

You're nuts. I'm laughing, but you are deranged. Are you like Val Kilmer or can you come out of character?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
flip it then. I will pick up tuition, I want to opt out of food and clothing ad shelter.

So, you'll let women opt out of the pregnancy, too, then. Just to be clear.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I'm on board with that. Should we send out the highly coordinated e-mails to our bretheren and sistren on the left and have them all retreat in an orderly manner?

There's a first time for everything.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No opt out. You buy the ticket, you take the ride. Personal fucking responsibility, remember? You weren't talking out of both sides of your mouth when you were harrumphing about personal responsibility, were you? You don't have any problem with being forced to suffer as equally as the person you knocked up, do you? That would be, well... irresponsible.

You fuck it, you own whatever pops out of it. You can't "give at the office" on this one. Your in whole hog or none at all.

But that doesn't work for you, does it? Kinda scary, ain't it? Now you have an idea what it feels like from the chick's perspective, and why your high moral horseshit rings pretty hollow. Unless you're willing to put your money where your mouth is and accept full responsibility, no woman should have to.

All or nothing, my harrumphing judgmental friend. Which is it?

Are you drunk? I accept responsibility.

I am not sure what you mean by this and it sounds completely moronic: "

You don't have any problem with being forced to suffer as equally as the person you knocked up, do you?

But, as I frequently assert IRL, with Slave as one of hundreds of witnesses, at the time my wife was preggo with our first, for the greater good of humanity and my fame and reputation, I did 2 Ironman races in 5 weeks. Well. I have from that point on contended that the physical suffering I endured was at least as great at that which a woman goes through during pregnancy and childbirth (which I have witnessed up close 3 times). I have yet to be effectively refuted by anyone with experience in both arenas although I am open minded. So, for now, I am convinced I know what the physical suffering is like, and I laugh it off. LOL!@

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Maybe not. Remember Bernie Kerik?

True, but I'm guessing that particular vetting staff got the Presidential Medal of Honor, and they've moved on to someone else to check backgrounds.

[nononono]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
2. In part. I have had a friend and a close relative face the issue of a catastrophically disabled unborn child and what to do with it. I offered no advice, because I didn't think it was my place. I just tried to be understanding and supportive. It did cause me to be close enough to the issue to think through what I would do and maybe through the magic of my other parenthoods I decided I couldn't take the unborn child out, if I had to deal with it. Sometimes tests are wrong, sometimes technology changes. Life with kids is never perfect, lots can go wrong. For me I choose the culture of life. In honour of Terri Schiavo, the martyr.

Well, on the tests, once you get a genetic test back (not the initial screen), I think it's pretty much dead-on for the things they test for. Which isn't too many. My recollection is fuzzy, as always.

I frankly have a hard time getting on a political high-horse on this issue. I marched on Washington back in early college in 1988 (not since, interestingly). I have a very high sense of both personal liberty and personal responsibility and accountability (I don't see much wrong with Seb's suggestion of lifelong responsibility for both parents, unless they agree otherwise). But yes, I feel more keenly now about "life." Rather than legislative or judicial solutions to the abortion question, in my utopia, people would just make extremely smart choices and live with and up to the consequences of failures or lapses and a bad luck of the draw.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
So, you'll let women opt out of the pregnancy, too, then. Just to be clear.

Burger, I don't think that there should be an opt out after the first trimester (except for material health reasons).

You asked me about unwanted children in response to my personal responsibility statements. I said, creating a different hypo, if they can opt out, I want an opt out. I was being facetious. I think if you have a kid and don't want it, then you put it up for adoption if you can or else you accept responsibility.

I don't believe in opt-outs.