Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You flip that back on them by saying "The cover up cost tax payers __ million dollars in investigation costs. The federal sentencing guidleines base sentences on how much you steal. Karl Rove sat there and lied to us for a year and cost the taxpayers ____. Thats a serious crime in my book."

And penske sez: "This grandstanding prosecutor, a partisan hack trying to make a name for himself by persecuting a well-known defendant, has wasted government money for a wide-ranging investigation that has produced no substantive convictions or indictments." And back and forth until people's eyes glaze over.

For this to go over, they need to charge someone with the leak. The Rs made the mistake on hanging there hopes on perjury. Despite spanky's views to the contrary, most of the American public still view it as lying about a blow job. While this is obviously a more serious matter, Fitz will be savaged if he just brings obstruction and/or perjury charges.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Fun, fun. So in addition to Plame being undercover, we now have a message from 11 former CIA agents to the Republican Machine: F. U., and the horse you came in on.

If she was "undercover" or "covert"as those terms are understood in the intelligence community (rather than as defined under the statute) the leakers should go, regardless of whether a crime was committed.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Interestingly, it seems the WH is going to have to work a little harder if they want the Roberts nomination to take this off the front page.

• "Yesterday's White House press briefing focused overwhelmingly on John Roberts and the Supreme Court. There were only two questions about the Plame Game scandal, neither of which Scott McClellan answered.
  
  How about today? McClellan kept his briefing, well, brief, but the press corps hasn't let go of the issue. Helen Thomas got the ball rolling.
  
  Q: Why does Karl Rove still have security clearance and access to classified documents when he has been revealed as a leaker of a secret agent, according to Time magazine's correspondent?
  McClellan: Well, there is an investigation that continues, and I think the President has made it clear that we're not going to prejudge the outcome of that investigation.
  Q: You already have the truth.
  McClellan: We're not going to prejudge the outcome of that investigation through —
  Q: Does he have access to security documents?
  McClellan: — through media reports. And these questions came up over the last week —
  Q: Did he leak the name of a CIA agent?
  McClellan: As I was trying to tell you, these questions have been answered.
  Q: No, they haven't.
  
  McClellan tried to move away from Thomas to get a break from this line of questioning. It didn't work.
  
  
  McClellan: Go ahead, David.
  Q: [These questions] most certainly haven't [been answered]. I think Helen is right, and the people watching us know that. And related to that, there are now —
  McClellan: Let me correct the record. We've said for quite some time that this was an ongoing investigation, and that we weren't going to comment on it, so let me just correct the record.
  Q: If you want to make the record clear, then you also did make comments when a criminal investigation was underway, you saw fit to provide Karl Rove with a blanket statement of absolution. And that turned out to be no longer accurate —
  McClellan: Well, and there were preferences expressed by those overseeing the investigation that we refrain from commenting on it while they're continuing to look at — investigate it.
  Q: White House officials have been very clear through their attorneys or through other leaks to make it known that it was essentially journalists who educated them about who Valerie Plame was, what she did, and her role in sending her husband to Niger. It has now come to light that in fact White House officials were aware, or at least had access to a State Department memo that the President's own Secretary of State at the time had with him when he was traveling on Air Force One to Africa, which indicated both who she was, what she did, and her role in the Niger trip. So did the White House, in fact, know about her through this memo, or not?
  McClellan: I thank you for wanting to proceed ahead with the investigation from this room, but I think that the appropriate place for that to happen is through those who are overseeing the investigation. The President directed us to cooperate fully, and that's exactly what we have been doing and continue to do.
  Q: But you don't deny that attorneys for Rove and others in the White House are speaking about these matters, creating a lot of these questions, right, that you say you can't speak to?
  McClellan: As I said, we're not getting into talking about an ongoing investigation."
  
  As Jon Stewart recently said, "We've secretly replaced the White House press corps with actual reporters…."

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[Penske_Account]

Looks like the board really ground to substantive halt in my absence. The paucity of liberal thought certainly exposed itself.

Never fear, I will be back tomorrow with a new avatar (democratically elected, which is more than i can say for most of the tyrannically imposed avatars here) and signature, tan rested and ready to smack the liberal hypocrasy upside the head. BOOOOO-YAH!

eta: 1988 Chateau Lynch Bages (pauillac), wonderfully reminiscent of a bygone era (allo Ty, bon nuit)!

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
eta: 1988 Chateau Lynch Bages (pauillac), wonderfully reminiscent of a bygone era (allo Ty, bon nuit)!

2 buck chuck, shiraz.

what do I win?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
eta: 1988 Chateau Lynch Bages (pauillac), wonderfully reminiscent of a bygone era (allo Ty, bon nuit)!

Wow, that sounds good. Me, I finished the last of a bottle of 2001 Klinker Brick Lodi Old Vine Zinfandel.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Wow, that sounds good.

It was very enjoyable although it could have breathed a bit longer, but such is life. On occassion I get very good deals on old vintgages, which is nice.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
. Me, I finished the last of a bottle of 2001 Klinker Brick Lodi Old Vine Zinfandel.

Maybe a Zin tonight or a Syrah.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
2 buck chuck, shiraz.

what do I win?

When we dine, I will order the wine and will pick up the difference between your 2 bucks and the price of the bottle. Life's too short to not indulge on the wine.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
When we dine, I will order the wine and will pick up the difference between your 2 bucks and the price of the bottle. Life's too short to not indulge on the wine.

You're going in-house? Cool.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
When we dine, I will order the wine and will pick up the difference between your 2 bucks and the price of the bottle. Life's too short to not indulge on the wine.

When Jesus changed water to wine at the wedding in Canaan, what did He change it to?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
When Jesus changed water to wine at the wedding in Canaan, what did He change it to?

Chianti.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Chianti.

Did it go with the food?

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Did it go with the food?

Undoubtedly. If you believe Jesus loves all of God's children, you can't argue He made the bride serve a Chianti with fish.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Undoubtedly. If you believe Jesus loves all of God's children, you can't argue He made the bride serve a Chianti with fish.

Maybe he was a better savior than he was a sommelier.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Perjury or violation of the IIPA, it doesn't matter - the question is, What wine should I be drinking as I watch Scooter and the traitor Karl Rove do the perp walk?