Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Nice sock.

Moore is a professional entertainer who knows how to push buttons, not a political figure with any stature or constituency.

What was his entertainer role at the convention? Was he juggling balls for Teresa backstage to keep the mood elevated? Demo-fluffer?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Iron Steve


eta: merde! wrong sock!

You couldn't last a single week?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Within seconds, I was able to Google up a quote from Michael Moore, which proved every sentiment of Rove's to be true.

Did "liberals" from all around the country denounce his remarks? Did they ostracize from the media.

No. They honored the fat fuck with a Palm D'Or and a seat next to Carter at the Democratic Convention. They lined up in droves to see his schlock on screen and fork over money to buy his books at Borders.

But he isn't representative of the "liberals" in this country you say? Rove is a liar, you say. Hogwash.

Michael Moore is a representative of the liberals in America as Jerry Falwell or Rick Santorum are representative of conservatives. Which one are you more closely in line with?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
You can ignore the mods. You can't ignore the admins. Have I annoyed you with this response? At least a little bit?

Yes, but it's okay because you are a very pretty lady.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by sgtclub
100% no.

2. I think my point, like your point, is that I am not sterotypically aclu. I'm a civil libertarian. But they are not right on everything.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Removing someone's viscera and throwing them on a fire while keeping them awake/alive is an accomplishment as well.

I didn't know you read McMurtry.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
You couldn't last a single week?

not_puppetmasterofmydomain.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Fair and Equitable
No sock just a long-time lurker and first-time poster, just check the created on date. But, as is your habit, you refuse to respond to the substance and instead shift the topic. Does that work for you in your legal career?

That said, generally you're a better debater than Sebby, who seems to have the standard liberal responses programmed in on his keybroad.

Sebby's Keyboard

F1: Bush Lies!
F2: Haliburton!
F3: No WMDs!
F4: Make love not war!
etc.

I recite them time and time again because nobody from the GOP has or can refite them. I'm a litigator. I grab a point and ram down your throat. You can't say Bush didn't lie. You can't say we had solid intel which pointed to the presence of WMDs. You call these "liberal responses," but they're actually facts. Unless you're an absolute shithead or engaging in willful ignorance, its as clear as the sun above that Bush lied.

But nobody wants Watergate II, and the Dems are gutless, so nobody presses for his head. He also learned from Nixon. I am certain the lies can never be tied all the way to Bush himself.

You didn't reaally believe Iraq qas a threat, did you? I mean, really, we all understood that he had to lie to get into Iraq to start reshaping the Middle East. Nobody really believes WMD were ever anything but a pretext, do they? So I guess, in the end, we were all complicit in the lie. We should have put the son of a bitch to his proofs on the Senate floor, but thee fucking Dems caved. Chickenshits.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Fair and Equitable
It's funny that you attack him for not responding to your post (which was an obvious attempt to change the focus) without actually responding to his factual support of Rove's statement. Any idiot can find some dumbass who has said something stupid, (see, e.g., posts by Hank), but Slave pointed to what was (and in many circles still is) a leading figure in the liberal movement. The best you can do is point to someone who has always been denigrated by Republicans (as well as Democrats). Why not prove him wrong by showing that liberals didn't do what Rove said they did? While you are at it, here are some more quotes from liberals for you to explain:

Jesus Christ!

First, you guys really need to learn to distinguish between Democrats and liberals, and between liberals and progressives.

Your comparisons are about as meaningful as saying that David Duke, Grover Norquist, Pat Robertson, or Newt Gingrich speak for Lincoln Chafee (or for Bilmore) -- because they are all on the "right" side of the aisle.

As to your quotes -- Gere is a freakin' Buddhist, and his quote (which did seem to be snipped from a larger discussion) is an entirely natural response in the context of his religious tradition.

If you don't like it, I'll match your Gere with Pat Robertson, and note that, unlike Robertson, Gere has never been a "serious" contender for his parties' Presidential nomination and has never participated in a nationally televised debate of primary candidates.

Shirely McClaine believes in ghosts and past lives. She is a bona fide nut case, and not representative of any type of mainstream liberal thought. (Don't you keep telling us that the Hollywood liberal elite is not "mainstream"?)

Alice Walker writes for the m*therf*cking Village Voice, for God's sakes. That means she's almost certainly well past liberal, and back in the day was likely some kind of socialist or communist.
Do Regnery Press or Richard Scaife's journals speak for the Republican Party?

In sum -- those quotes aren't properly representative of either "liberal" or, even less, so "Democratic" thought. Anyone on this Board who truly believes otherwise -- as opposed to those just being tools -- are truly profoundly ignorant.

S_A_M

P.S. My condolences, Hank.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Spanky
So the population was much better off when they were getting gassed? How come people focus so much on death in war, and not on deaths caused by despotic governments. More people were killed by their own government in the last century than died in warfare. It seems to me if people in the last century had spent more time trying to avoid despotic governments (especially communists one) than trying to avoid war that the last century would have been much less bloody.

So, to sum up, we're killing them for their own protection, and it's okay because we're killing less of them than Hussein did. Have I got that right? I'd hate to be accused of manipulating the truth.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Spanky
So the population was much better off when they were getting gassed?

Not necessarily, but the "excess" people who have died as a result of the invasion and the aftermath -- and perhaps their families -- may well have been better off when other people were geting gassed.

To quote a phrase: "You missed the point." Actually, you didn't miss it, you just wanna talk about a different point.

S_A_M

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Michael Moore is a representative of the liberals in America as Jerry Falwell or Rick Santorum are representative of conservatives. Which one are you more closely in line with?

Not in defence of anything he has ever said, Santorum is elected. He puts himself and his ideas before the people, and our system allows for those ideas to be represented.

If you don't like Santorum complain to Sebby. If I was (hi fringey) you I would be more concerned about the criminal enterprise that your local tax dollars support. That always made me sad.....so I moved to a locality more in line with my political beliefs. LOL.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
2. I think my point, like your point, is that I am not sterotypically aclu. I'm a civil libertarian. But they are not right on everything.

Comrade

[sebastian_dangerfield]

[i]Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man [/i

To quote a phrase: "You missed the point." Actually, you didn't miss it, you just wanna talk about a different point.

S_A_M

Did you expect anything else?

"Iraq is a real quagmire."

"You see, its just that sort of liberal desire to see America fail thats ruined this country. People are on a witch hunt against Christianity and they're trying to shove a gay agenda down our throats."

"Whoa there, that's a mouthful... I just wanted to know about how your party plans to wrap up Iraq?"

"We have to start with respect for America. Our troops should not see people at home burning flags. It saps their morale. We need a bill banning flag burning."

"Oy, look, just the plans on Iraq. Can ya gimme just that?"

"Its part of a larger picture. Iraq is the front line in a battle to establish a culture of life. You see, we neeed to have respect for life, and that will change hearts, and once we change hearts, we'll change minds."

"Now you've just quoted Joan Baez...

Sorry, scratch that. I think you just quoted Bread. Or was that America?"

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Do Regnery Press or Richard Scaife's journals speak for the Republican Party?

S_A_M

Um, yes. Yes they do. Didn't used to, but they do now.