Politics As Usual

[the Spartan]

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Apparently you and I -- unlike Burger -- share a belief in First Amendment values so strong that we don't think Robert Novak should be forced to tell a court who outed Valerie Plame. If bilmore were here, he'd need smelling salts.

I was presenting the law, not supporting it.

That said, what is the First Amendment interest if the White House authorizes it (i.e., says the leaker should be outed)? Protection of moles and weasels in an administration?

While I'm fully in favor of the First Amendment, I don't believe it goes so far as to allow (or sanction) the disclosure of information that is not yours to disclose.

Shall I post those compromising pics of you and Atticus with Club's pussy wife in the name of the first amendment?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by the Spartan
The worm is turning. FOXNews is reporting great new polling news for President Bush.

Odd that FOX would get different results from other recent polls in Ohio (Kerry +6 w/ Nader), Florida (+1 ditto) and Pennsylvania (Kerry +6 ditto). Go figure.

[the Spartan]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I was presenting the law, not supporting it.

That said, what is the First Amendment interest if the White House authorizes it (i.e., says the leaker should be outed)? Protection of moles and weasels in an administration?

While I'm fully in favor of the First Amendment, I don't believe it goes so far as to allow (or sanction) the disclosure of information that is not yours to disclose.

Shall I post those compromising pics of you and Atticus with Club's pussy wife in the name of the first amendment?

As a Moderator I say, nay demand, YES!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

I was presenting the law, not supporting it.

Oops.

That said, what is the First Amendment interest if the White House authorizes it (i.e., says the leaker should be outed)? Protection of moles and weasels in an administration?

Exactly.

While I'm fully in favor of the First Amendment, I don't believe it goes so far as to allow (or sanction) the disclosure of information that is not yours to disclose.

No, but that's not the case with the journalist forced under pain of perjury to testify. He's just repeating what someone told him.

Shall I post those compromising pics of you and Atticus with Club's pussy wife in the name of the first amendment?

If you've got 'em, post 'em.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by the Spartan
Bush Ahead In Fox News Poll (Election 2004 Polls - General)

The worm is turning. FOXNews is reporting great new polling news for President Bush. On the heels of the just released Gallup poll, FOXNews shows W opening up the start of a can o' whoopass on Senator Kerry.

Bush 48% Kerry 42%

Bush 47% Kerry 40% Nader 3%

Bush's overall job approval stands at 49%-same as the Gallup poll.

Also, FOXNews also did some state polling:

OHIO Bush 47% Kerry 43%

Bush 45% Kerry 41% Nader 4%

PENNSYLVANIA Bush 47% Kerry 44%

Bush 46% Kerry 41% Nader 3%

MICHIGAN Kerry 44% Bush 43%

Bush 42% Kerry 40% Nader 5%

FLORIDA Bush 50% Kerry 41%

Bush 48% Kerry 38% Nader 3%

This poll was done June 22-23. Things are looking up kids. There is a God indeed.

No cite, unfortunately, so I can only be left to wonder if the FOXnews story actually contained the words "Woo hoo!" as well. My money says yes.

As a point of comparison, check out the Electoral Vote Predictor.

Interestingly, in contrast to FOX, here the polls they've collected current as of today indicate that "New polls just in from Florida and Ohio give Kerry a 6-point lead in each state."

All of this is subject to the general point that these polls mean next to nothing until, say, September.

Gattigap

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Apparently you and I -- unlike Burger -- share a belief in First Amendment values so strong that we don't think Robert Novak should be forced to tell a court who outed Valerie Plame. If bilmore were here, he'd need smelling salts.

But not strong enough to be outraged over the new indecency bill?

[the Spartan]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Odd that FOX would get different results from other recent polls in Ohio (Kerry +6 w/ Nader), Florida (+1 ditto) and Pennsylvania (Kerry +6 ditto). Go figure.

Yes, shows what happens when things get fair and balanced.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
But not strong enough to be outraged over the new indecency bill?

I don't know what it is, but am almost certainly against it. Until further notice, you have my proxy on that one.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Apparently you and I -- unlike Burger -- share a belief in First Amendment values so strong that we don't think Robert Novak should be forced to tell a court who outed Valerie Plame. If bilmore were here, he'd need smelling salts.

Bilmore shouldn't start getting "the vapours" too soon. I don't know if he should be compelled. For example, I do not think it would be wrong to condition a plea bargain for any criminal violation he may have committed by disclosing Plame's identity (disclosure of security secrets) on a requirement that he disclose his source by way of cooperation.

Besides, he's only entitled to the protections of Branzburg, which doesn't assume a result --- he'll be forced to rely on his own Fifth Amendment privilege if (1) there is a probable cause to believe he has clearly relevant information regarding a specific probable violation of law; (2) the information cannot be obtained in some other way that doesn't so heavily infringe on the First Amendment; and (3) there is a compelling and overriding interest in the information.

I'm pro-Shield Law, but I'm not a First Amendment absolutist.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
Odd that FOX would get different results from other recent polls in Ohio (Kerry +6 w/ Nader), Florida (+1 ditto) and Pennsylvania (Kerry +6 ditto). Go figure.

All of these polls mean jack squat*.


* a political term

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by the Spartan
Yes, shows what happens when things get fair and balanced.

I think the disposition of the Franken lawsuit required them to use scarequotes around those words, no?

Originally posted by the best looking guy on the board
All these polls mean jack squat.

True dat.

eta suck-up

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

If you've got 'em, post 'em.

2. I'd like to see what my wife looks like.

[Skeks in the city]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
All of these polls mean jack squat*.


* a political term

You quoting Jeri re Jack?

[Skeks in the city]

Originally posted by sgtclub
2. I'd like to see what my wife looks like.

Come home sober for once.