A Black Hole of Happiness

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
what else could they do with her? Fine her a few grand? No big deal. Sebby's "make her work community service" would be a bigger punishment to the poor schmuck that had to supervise her. I don't see her doing a real good job with say, road clean up.

Take away her license? she seems willing to drive without legal authority.

they should treat her like a law and order episode. throw her into the general pop and the next shot you see is her on a gurney with a bruised face.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I think that she probably is getting harsher treatment because she's Paris Hilton. But I also think that because she's Paris Hilton, she has some entitlement / avoid responsibility issues that got her into this mess.

But from a "avoid pissing off the judge" angle, I think yesterday's shennagans probably were the worst possible approach in getting her out of the hoosegow early.

Nice job avoiding the term "pokey." That would just have confused Flower more.

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive

Was her sentence reduced to 23 days when she was there and now they've increased it back to the original? I admit - I haven't been following this. Surprise!

More bad reporting by the press. Her sentence was never reduced. Rather, if she gets the standard credit for good time behavior, her likely release is after 23 days.

[SlaveNoMore]

sebastian_dangerfield
Oyyy. I meant in the respect that my house is larger than Paris'.

If it was anywhere other than Philly, I'm sure it would be lovely.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
But from a "avoid pissing off the judge" angle, I think yesterday's shennagans probably were the worst possible approach in getting her out of the hoosegow early.

2. From what I've read, it looks like a lawyer for Hilton told the Sheriff they were sending a motion to the judge to get Paris out, but never did it. Sometimes an administrative person will fuck up or can be massaged into giving you what the courts won't. I've gotten strange extensions on motion replies and trials bumped by using admin channels. Every lawyer has. My guess is the lawyers kind of bullshitted the sheriff into thinking the motion was a done deal and the judge would approve it in such a way that they;d have plausible deniability if confronted later.

That was a dumb move by the lawyers if they ever intend to use those admin channels for favors in the future. Not wise to burn those people; it's like pissing off your secretary.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
Somewhere, Atticus is weeping over an overpriced latte that his bestest friend on them interwebs has stolen his schtick. I'm sure you will try and convince him it's an homage, but the damage has been done. When the second coming (hi wonk!) of Atticus is upon us, I wouldn't want to be you.

Hi!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
2. From what I've read, it looks like a lawyer for Hilton told the Sheriff they were sending a motion to the judge to get Paris out, but never did it. Sometimes an administrative person will fuck up or can be massaged into giving you what the courts won't. I've gotten strange extensions on motion replies and trials bumped by using admin channels. Every lawyer has. My guess is the lawyers kind of bullshitted the sheriff into thinking the motion was a done deal and the judge would approve it in such a way that they;d have plausible deniability if confronted later.

That was a dumb move by the lawyers if they ever intend to use those admin channels for favors in the future. Not wise to burn those people; it's like pissing off your secretary.

if a lawyer had lied to get her out, don't you think he would be in jail right now also?

here's how it works for a normal guy. Italian guy, joey gallo, shows up for sentencing. "what time is it" the Judge said to Joey when they met. "5 to 10" says joey, the judge said "that's exactly what you get."

How's that not fucked up?

[SlaveNoMore]

ThurgreedMarshall
It's official. Back to jail she goes. And apparently she's serving the full sentence.

No wonder she's crying.

She's now going to miss Blohan's "Get Out Rehab/21st Birthday Party" at Pure.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
One at a time:

1. Agreed. And the proper sentence should have been something to scare her silly, like a work program or at most a weekend in jail. If you or I did this, we'd get at most a weekend in jail. Being a ridiculous shit and a cur on society, which she is, is not illegal. The sentence was too heavy. And why not community service? That seems to me to be the most appropriate sentnece for her. Make he work in a soup kitchen and clean up roadkill along the freeway.

I don't agree with that. If you or I were on probation, violated it three times, strolled into court late to face a judge who isn't fucking playing and challenged his authority and basically laughed in his face, we (or at the very least I) would get serious time in jail.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
2. Again, being a spoiled jackass isn't a crime. Loathsome isn't the benchmark for sentencing in this type of matter. The better course was revocation of her license for 5 years, which is what they do (I think) in PA and Jersey when you get your third DUI. In LA, that's an incredibly cruel punichment, but deserved. Driving is not a right. It's a privilege.

I'm not saying she should be punished because she is a jackass or is loathsome. I'm saying those are the qualities that lead her to think she is accountable to no one, ignores the law, thumbs her nose at the court and generally does as she pleases. The proper punishment for those things may be debatable, but don't tell me she got the wrong sentence for completely disrespecting the law and the court. Fuck her. She got exactly what she deserved.

If they took away her license for 5 years, I would be okay with that too. But what happens when she drives anyway after that? Would we be having this exact same conversation? [I see you said you think she should get 48 hours for each offense after that, but I don't think it's enough. If jail was actually jail for her like it is for everyone else, I might be okay with that. But just sitting in a cell by herself for 48 hours doesn't mean shit.]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield 4. I don't think that works. People who commit these types of crimes have no idea of what jail is like, so it's not even a factor in their decision making. And the practical reality is, putting her in general population would only result in her physical harm, which is not the aim and wouldn;t survive a constitutional challenge.

You are missing the point. They have no idea what jail is like because they are completely protected from having to go. Put Lindsay Lohan in general pop for driving while coked up for the 800th time and step back. Everyone will know pretty fucking fast how bad jail is if they are in actual danger of going and spending time in general pop. Everyone of those assholes would have a friend who did it and the cautionary stories would travel like wildfire. And if they still don't care, well then, tough shit.

As for your other point: Wouldn't survive constitutional challenge? Are you joking? Do you know how much physical harm occurs in jail right now? Is there something in the Consitution that says celebrities need not deal with the horrors of prison because people might want to prey on them like they currently do the weak? Again, celebrities wouldn't be committing any fucking crimes if they knew they were eligible to attend a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison and would be walking the yard like everyone else. And if they did anyway, well, tough shit.

Now, I'm with you if you think no prisons should tolerate rape and violence. But only if it applies to everyone. Since we currently tolerate the fact that people are targets because they are weak, I don't see why we should treat people who are targets because they're famous any differently.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
if a lawyer had lied to get her out, don't you think he would be in jail right now also?

here's how it works for a normal guy. Italian guy, joey gallo, shows up for sentencing. "what time is it" the Judge said to Joey when they met. "5 to 10" says joey, the judge said "that's exactly what you get."

How's that not fucked up?

There's lying and there's lawyers lying. What about "plausible deniability" didn't you understand?

[SlaveNoMore]

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So why do they take away her 22 days for good behavior? It

Only in Bizarro World can you get time off for good behavior, before you've served any time or demonstrated any behavior.

[Fugee]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The sentence was too heavy. And why not community service? That seems to me to be the most appropriate sentnece for her. Make he work in a soup kitchen and clean up roadkill along the freeway.

She'd just turn that into another episode of her show.

Maybe it's just envy of someone so privileged with such a completely worthless existence, but I have no problem with her sentence. Her original sentence was appropriate and could have been satisfied with little affect on her lifestyle. But she acted as though she was above the system and this is a good way to let her know she isn't.

[SlaveNoMore]

Hank Chinaski
I don't see her doing a real good job with say, road clean up.

Didn't they already do that one on The Simple Life, Season 2.

Speaking of, by the way, isn't Nicole's DUI sentencing up soon? Maybe this is all a big scam to shoot "The Simple Life 4, Behind Bars"

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Fugee
She'd just turn that into another episode of her show.

Maybe it's just envy of someone so privileged with such a completely worthless existence, but I have no problem with her sentence. Her original sentence was appropriate and could have been satisfied with little affect on her lifestyle. But she acted as though she was above the system and this is a good way to let her know she isn't.

why did Penske get away with all that fecta stuff just becasue he was "old skool?" fuck him i say.

[SlaveNoMore]

sebastian_dangerfield
I think it was the photo in the police car that did it for me.

Exactly. She needed do it just like Henry Hill in Goodfellas - have a drink at the bar with your friends, say goodbye, hop in a limo, and tell the driver

"Now take me jail"