Fashion Board 1-08-04 through 02-03-04

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
That's an annoying clever re line but i am procrastinating. Anyway, I would like Sidd or anyone else here who loves their job,which I think is nobody, to tell me how to get into that mindset of "wow, this is interesting and exciting and I am making a real splash and impacting the lives of others". Cause right now, I am kinda lawed out.

And I realize asking this here is probably an exericse in futility as this is the lawtalking home for wayward procrastinators.

Leave it and go into plaintiff's work like I did.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by tax_hottie
Story about lie gone bad

I told my ex who thought he was still my boyfriend that I had to study for a law school final but instead went out with some other guy. When I exited the other guys house the next morning, guess who was waiting in his car on the street outside. The psycho followed me and waited all night outside. I had to plead with the ex to not go directly in and mess up the other guy. But we were NOT STILL DATING.

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
But I will say that the only time that I would not tell my SO about having a drink with an ex would be if I were meeting the one ex whom I would still like to fuck.

I've been thinking about this and what I realize is that the only SO's I have that I would think to meet up with at all are the ones I would still, at least in the hypothetical sense, like to fuck. Which are pretty much all the serious ones from my past.

What I mean is that when I think about my past loves, I still think I'd like to fuck them, because at one time I wanted to fuck them because I found something attractive about them...and the only reason I'd be interested in seeing them would be that thing that attracted me to them in the first place.

Of course, wanting to fuck them and actually fucking them are two very different things. And no, I wouldn't fuck any of them, because none of that would be worth the damage to my marriage.

But, I do think, if you do cheat, it's your penance to keep your fucking mouth shut about it. You must carry around the heavy burden of your infidelity. To lay that burden at the feet of the loved one you've wronged would be to wrong them twice, and that's uncool.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
Next time you're out buying shoes, just have a seat and watch for awhile. Most women have ugly, knarly, smelly feet. Watch as the poor saps go running back and forth to the stock room while unreasonable woman with smelly feet tries to cram her feet into a size too small

You do realize that this part is making a lot of the men consider leaving law, or at least get a part time job.

Originally posted by dtb
Interesting question. When I first met my husband, I was very suspicious and made it clear in no uncertain terms that I would not stand for lying, and cheating was a "one strike and you're out" offense. (He also learned early on that I'm a great detector of lies and the wrath that is unleashed upon my learning of the lie is not worth it.)

He, on the other hand, told me in no uncertain terms that were I ever to cheat on him, that he woudn't want to know about it.

Over the years, however, I realize that I'm not concerned about his cheating (not that I would encourage it, I think it's more that I don't think it would happen -- not because of me so much, but because, well... he's too cheap.**) In the highly unlikely scenario that he did cheat on me, I have definitely softened on the "1 strike and you're out" stance.

When he heard of Brittney's marriage -- he said, "Oh no, Now I don't have a chance" -- which prompted my response of -- "I see. So you have no problem cheating on me with her, but you all of a sudden would feel bad now that she's married?" We both laughed. Such mirth at the dtb household...


**A friend told me about a study she'd read that the men least likely to stray are those who are, uh, parsimonious, or, not to put too fine a point on it, tightwads. It's just too expensive for them to have action on the side. If this is true, I can rest assured that he will be forever faithful.

ANd cheapness is one of my biggest dealkillers (financial budgeting fine,but cheap? no).

Wow, an hour and thirteen minutes of straight work. I was in the zone man, intense.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
You do realize that this part is making a lot of the men consider leaving law, or at least get a part time job.

REally? Is that why most of the shoe sellers at Nordstroms are men?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
That's an annoying clever re line but i am procrastinating. Anyway, I would like Sidd or anyone else here who loves their job,which I think is nobody, to tell me how to get into that mindset of "wow, this is interesting and exciting and I am making a real splash and impacting the lives of others". Cause right now, I am kinda lawed out.

And I realize asking this here is probably an exericse in futility as this is the lawtalking home for wayward procrastinators.

Try approaching the work like you did when you first got out of LS again. Really think through the matter. Examine all the facts. Ask yourself why the facts you deem material are. Question why the ones you dismissed as non-material are not material.

Look at the issues you've identified. Re-examining them will almost inevitably lead to ones you've missed that, while not crucial to your problem, will give it more context.

Finally, do the research. All of it. Don't just find the one or two No Action Letters that you can rely on for support. Read all of them. Think about what makes the distinguishable one distinguishable. Note the splits in circuits, and look at whether another circuit outside the controlling one has a better answer. Consider arguing for a change in the controlling circuit.

All this can be summed up as reawakening your intellectual curiosity. Don't look at the work as just another problem to be cleared off your desk. What made law interesting when you got out of school was the fact that it was a process of discovery. What makes it become boring is the transformation of discovery into routine.

I don't know if this will help or not. It's what keeps things fresh for me, though. I'm also lucky enough that the group I work in tends to get the more complex and unique matters. Therefore, a lot of my assignments really are things that nobody knows the answer to.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
I was in the zone man, intense.

Did you feel like making out with Madge?

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Leave it and go into plaintiff's work like I did.

You are a plaintiff's lawyer? Ew.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by bilmore
I actually do really really like mine, and so maybe my advice wouldn't be as useful as advice coming from someone who didn't like theirs but who managed to convince themselves they did so as to feel better about getting up and going in.

But anyway, start making yourself aware of what else you COULD be doing, and how much you COULD be making. There are just a ton of really really shitty occupations out there, most paying less than what you're making. You get paid to sit around and produce intellectual results. You could be getting paid to hump your butt on a line, or sell insurance or blocks of cell time or futures contracts, or answer no-mind phonecalls, or supervise idiot wretches, or . . . lots of bad choices. All for less money, less self-esteem, less ability to think creatively, less freedom to surf or read or talk or whatever. All in all, this is one of the better professions. It's not all roses, but there's more roses than you'll find most other places. The grass is actually greener where you are right now.

Bilmore,

When I graudated from college, I was offer a gig doing insurance work. I went to law school. The person who took the gig now makes over $200k and has oooodles of free time.

Intellectual nonsense is exactly that. Its all procedural gamesmanship played by a pack of tools.

You just think you're making more than everyone else because you've been institutionalized in this field. I assure you there are swarms of people doing less intellectually stimulating things like institutional sales, stock borkering, PI and regaulr old sales who lap your ass in salary and QOL.

If you take start viewing law as a business (i.e., start milking the market for referral fees and banking favors), you'll fins a whole slew of people who laugh at all of the intellectuals.

The richest cat I know has barely a high school degree.

Fuck this, I've said this shit before...

Take off the blinders...
SD

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Why? Shouldn't the burden be on the person insulting me by treating me as unworthy of trust?

The more I think about this, it's not that there's a right or wrong answer - it all comes down to what character and quality of a relationship you want to have. A person can make a very valid choice to have a relationship that is somewhat less connected than the "share everything, say everything" model, and that's fine.

My only qualification to this, though, would be that there needs to be an almost explicit agreement between the two SO's about this. If one SO is thinking it's the "share everything" model, but the other is keeping secrets, it's not going to work, long-term.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Did you figure out who the reptiles were? Do you still get Secret Service protection when you're an ex-VP? Even when it's been decades since you were the VP?

I don't think they were SS - more like "hired drivers and minders". We never spoke about them, so I don't know for sure.

Originally posted by taxwonk
Try approaching the work like you did when you first got out of LS again. Really think through the matter. Examine all the facts. Ask yourself why the facts you deem material are. Question why the ones you dismissed as non-material are not material.

Look at the issues you've identified. Re-examining them will almost inevitably lead to ones you've missed that, while not crucial to your problem, will give it more context.

Finally, do the research. All of it. Don't just find the one or two No Action Letters that you can rely on for support. Read all of them. Think about what makes the distinguishable one distinguishable. Note the splits in circuits, and look at whether another circuit outside the controlling one has a better answer. Consider arguing for a change in the controlling circuit.

All this can be summed up as reawakening your intellectual curiosity. Don't look at the work as just another problem to be cleared off your desk. What made law interesting when you got out of school was the fact that it was a process of discovery. What makes it become boring is the transformation of discovery into routine.

I don't know if this will help or not. It's what keeps things fresh for me, though. I'm also lucky enough that the group I work in tends to get the more complex and unique matters. Therefore, a lot of my assignments really are things that nobody knows the answer to.

I didnt ask how to be a good lawyer. I asked how to be jobloving Sidd type.
YOur suggestion is exactly why I am procrastinating, dear. Thats a whole lotta unfun effort.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I remember reading an ad in DC's City Paper about the opportunity to PAY $2000 for 2 weeks and go help in Cuba's sugar harvest. I had an epiphany! Overpaid overstressed people could do with a few weeks of dumb work.

I thought about starting a company where I would run a McDonald's. I would staff it with lawyers/doctors etc. who were on a "vacation." They would pay me $3000 per week to work at my McDonald's. I would hire a mean late-teenager to manage, and make the week a hell hole for my vacationers.

I would have a very well-educated staff, plus I'd be helping them realize how nice their real jobs really are. I also think the week there would be a great stress relief for the professionals. You wouldn't have to worry about committting million $$$ malpractice; at most you'd burn a basket of fries.

It's interesting that you chose McDonald's for your example. For many years (I don't know if they still keep up the practice) McDonald's had a week where they put all their senior and middle managers and their primary outside advisors on the line in stores.

Jack Greenberg, CEO would spend a week flipping burgers, taking orders, and mopping johns. So would his lawyers and accountants. The whole point was to cause them to refocus on what it was that brought the money in the door.

It was both a team-building exercise and a way for them to keep their appreciation for the market they were so far removed from in the executive dining room.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Bilmore,

When I graudated from college, I was offer a gig doing insurance work. I went to law school. The person who took the gig now makes over $200k and has oooodles of free time.

Intellectual nonsense is exactly that. Its all procedural gamesmanship played by a pack of tools.

You just think you're making more than everyone else because you've been institutionalized in this field. I assure you there are swarms of people doing less intellectually stimulating things like institutional sales, stock borkering, PI and regaulr old sales who lap your ass in salary and QOL.

If you take start viewing law as a business (i.e., start milking the market for referral fees and banking favors), you'll fins a whole slew of people who laugh at all of the intellectuals.

The richest cat I know has barely a high school degree.

Fuck this, I've said this shit before...

Take off the blinders...
SD

Its been at leeast a month since I have seen this post. Like a late rentcheck.