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[Not Me]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
You guys got so mad about the Mary Cheney thing. Is it okay to say that Condi is black (and a lesbian)?

If you are a Dem, saying she is black is offensive. You have to say she is African American.

I would believe she were a lezzy if it weren't for her shoe fetish. That screams hetero woman. I think that the reason that Condi isn't married is because there is a paucity of educated and/or successful black men for her to choose from. Many educated and/or successful black men choose white women over black women. It is both sad and racist.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
So are you screaming racism, or just finding an opportune moment to offer an unrelated whine about Democrats?

I am not screaming racism. I don't believe SS is a racist.

[sgtclub]

Courtesy of Kos, circa 2 months after 9/11

I have no doubt, I've never had any doubt -- and I've said this publicly -- about our ability to be successful in Afghanistan. We are and we will be. The larger issue, John, is what happens afterwards. How do we now turn attention ultimately to Saddam Hussein? How do we deal with the larger Muslim world? What is our foreign policy going to be to drain the swamp of terrorism on a global basis? [Emphasis added]

http://slate.msn.com/id/2108682/

eta: Kos: "Wait--I thought shifting the focus to Saddam was a "diversion" and distraction from the fight against Al Qaeda! Not, apparently, when Kerry saw an opportunity to score political points by advocating it."

[It appears to me that Club is referring to Mickey Kaus of Slate here, not Kos of The Daily Kos. -- T.S.]

[sgtclub]

I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. I went to New York. I talked to all of them to find out how serious they were about really holding Saddam Hussein accountable.

All, some, a group meeting, private meetings - who knows? Integrity, integrity, integrity.

My question - does Kerry know he is lying, or is his memory really that bad? A quick reprise of his memory failures would surely include:

(1) the adventure in Cambodia which was "seared" into his memory;

(2) the fateful November 1971 Kansas City meeting at which the Vietnam Veterans Against the War talked about assasinating some Senators;

(3) his now-forgotten early opposition to Reagan's liberation of Grenada;

(4) his date of discharge from the military (OK, that was a short term memory failure - he told the Harvard Crimson in 1970 that he had been discharged, and stayed with that story until his records caught up with him).

Look, I would like to think I have had an interesting and varied life. But as full as it has been, I am sure that I would still find a heated discussion of the assassination of some US Senators to be quite memorable. I would probably remember when I left the service (I remember when I graduated from high school!). And I am sure that if people had been shooting at me on Christmas Eve while I was on a covert mission, I would not get confused about it.

On Grenada, Kerry might have forgotten that he hated everything Reagan did and the air he exhaled - from time to time lately, I have actually slipped and said something nice about Bill Clinton, so how can I judge another?

As to meeting with the Security Council, my guess is that Kerry goes to so many meetings, and these foreigners to whom he is constantly reaching out must all be shorter than he, and they're all speaking languages only Teresa understands... it probably becomes a blur.

But all that said, this one is absolutely inexplicable: "I was 30 yards away from Billy Buckner in that famous Shea Stadium game in '86."

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Courtesy of Kos, circa 2 months after 9/11



http://slate.msn.com/id/2108682/

eta: Kos: "Wait--I thought shifting the focus to Saddam was a "diversion" and distraction from the fight against Al Qaeda! Not, apparently, when Kerry saw an opportunity to score political points by advocating it."

His opinion then was probably based on the slanted intelligence being foisted on him and an unsuspecting public by an administration that never met a forged document that it didn't like.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
His opinion then was probably based on the slanted intelligence being foisted on him and an unsuspecting public by an administration that never met a forged document that it didn't like.

OK, for the next week, what say you that we just drop this pretense of civility and let all hell break loose? Then after the election and post-election lawsuits, we can return to civility? No?

[SlaveNoMore]

Shape Shifter
His opinion then was probably based on the slanted intelligence being foisted on him

Would this be that intelligence? You know, the stuff foisted upon him in the 90's during those - count 'em - 8 years he spent on the Senate Intelligence Committee?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
About 800 miles, off the top of my head. If not for Indiana, you could get from one to the other without passing through a state that's going to go for Bush.

So Ohio is not a "state" in the same sense that "United Kingdom, Poland, Australia, Japan etc." are not allies?

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
So Ohio is not a "state" in the same sense that "United Kingdom, Poland, Australia, Japan etc." are not allies?

Thank you, Hank for coming to the defense of my home state. That said, I wouldn't say it's in the bag for W yet. It's going to be very, very close here.

[andViolins]

Originally posted by spookyfish
Thank you, Hank for coming to the defense of my home state. That said, I wouldn't say it's in the bag for W yet. It's going to be very, very close here.

Hey wait, can I hear that God-awful Bush/Saudi creepy radio commercial just ONE more time!!!!! Please?

aV

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by andViolins
Hey wait, can I hear that God-awful Bush/Saudi creepy radio commercial just ONE more time!!!!! Please?

aV

Ooh. I finally saw the "Wolves" commercial yesterday afternoon.

(It's going to be a long week. . . )

[Replaced_Texan]

MTV, the network of draft paranoia, is a little nervous about Eminem's new video. I think it's safe to say that Mr. Mathers isn't voting for Bush.

I wonder how effective of a GOTV effort this will be. (spree: quicktime of Eminem's new video. No sex.)

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Partisan bickering.

Before you vote, you really ought to check out a movie called Uncovered: The Truth About the War in Iraq. Its avaliable at Blockbuster.

I expected it to be some shrill Moore-esque hatchet job. Its not. Not by a long shot. Its a very dry, sober documentary which just lays out the facts about what the Admin said and what it knew leading up to the Iraq War. I disclose that it was funded by MoveOn, but again, its not overtly partisan. Most of the damning footage is from video of the Admin spokesmen.

Most damning of all is the piece where both Rice and Powell, in February 2001, state emphatically in a talk show that Iraq has been contained and that Hussein is NOT a threat.

Before you condemn it, watch it. I'd also recommend watching Fahrenhype 9/11, which does a solid job of debunking Moore's conspiracy theories.

Everyone really does need to see this flick. My jaw dropped during some segments. The "tale of the tape" on the Iraq War really is shocking.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Sorry, but we get confused when you guys can't stay on message.

Nice spin. Your papers rush this into print before learning the truth - that, in fact, the material was gone when we arrived - your candidate and his buds trumpet it for a few days as Bush's failure - the national "neutral" networks work out like this:

**ABCNEWS Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 4 Times
**CBSNEWS Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 7 Times
**MSNBC Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 37 Times
**CNN Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 50 Times

and now, when it's all exposed as an attempted October Surprise lie, your line is, we're off message?

Wow.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
His opinion then was probably based on the slanted intelligence being foisted on him and an unsuspecting public by an administration that never met a forged document that it didn't like.

He now says he never held this opinion.

Have you not figured out that this guy will say whatever he thinks the audience currently sitting at his feet want to hear?