Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I would never say that about a democrat or a liberal or a Clinton voter. Tell me again about how I am hateful and the liberals are tolerant.

You've called people who support Hillary brainwashed innumerable times.

You've compared Clinton to Stalin -- what does that say about the people who voted for him (you know, the tens of millions you apparently despise)?

If I were you, I'd put my kids in a different school -- their lessons are obviously making you pretty nasty and bitter.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Like I said, it's not a schtick. "There's some compelling evidence." Despite the closing of the most expensive criminal investigation in history without any homicide charge, you can't believe that the Clintons did not personally murder anyone, and did not order anyone murdered.

You believe they are murderers. You're just too big a pussy to come out and say it.

I gave you one scenario that doesn't include murder or ordering of murder, but perhaps conspiracy. I wasn't there. I don't know what really happened. Just seems odd that with all the vitriolic political attacks from both sides, that the only polticians to have a death list like this are the Clintons.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Because I am intelligent enough to understand that, from a military and security perspective, there is a difference between fighting someone to whom the threat of death is a deterrent and fighting someone who welcomes death.

I really dont see that it makes that much difference. If you to war and are an aggressor, you are prepared to die from the start, but pretending its suicide affects the desired sympathy.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
You've called people who support Hillary brainwashed innumerable times.

You've compared Clinton to Stalin -- what does that say about the people who voted for him (you know, the tens of millions you apparently despise)?

It says that I think the American electorate are generally ignorant of who they are voting for which is sad product of the failure of the public school systems thanks to your friends in the teachers' unions.

Originally posted by Sidd Finch


If I were you, I'd put my kids in a different school -- their lessons are obviously making you pretty nasty and bitter.

No, I am tolerant and seek to understand people and accept them on their own terms. I am working to come to grips with how you and yours could be so hateful and further, how you could seek to pass down that hate and intolerance to the youth. For me, I preach open minded tolerance and acceptance of all. Try it.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
cite please.

Ariel Sharon, interview with Fox in August 2001. This the result of 25 second on Google.

I suppose you would call him Sharon, that miserable jew-hating terror-sympathizer. Given how he seeks to generate sympathy for the people who kill Israelis.


PRIME MINISTER SHARON: Look, usually I think that one should look not at what one says, but at what one did, or does. Not the declarations, but deeds. Since Arafat's statement three days ago in Rome, we had 88 acts of terror already since then.

So I think that we have to look not at words, but at deeds and acts. By now, we don't see any change whatsoever. Myself, I asked Arafat, I sent him a message, I sent him a list of names of terrorist -- those who were preparing acts of murder and terror and violence, those who are preparing suicide bombers, those are preparing the car bombs. I asked him to arrest them. No steps have been taken by him. And I made it very clear that we have to defend our citizens. We have to defend our lives. And that therefore, we had to take counterterrorist steps. That's what we have been doing.

It's not a cycle of terror here. On the one hand, we have murderers, killers, suicide bombers. On the other hand, we are taking defensive counterterrorist measures. That's what we are doing.
...

PRIME MINISTER SHARON: Again, I would like to say that I think there's an entirely different situation here. We have, on the one hand, we have terror mostly carried out by the Palestinian Authority - terror acts, murder, assassinations, suicide bombers.

On the other hand we are taking defensive means. We are intercepting suicide bombers on the way to commit their crimes. And of course, the question is, what the United States would have done if the United States would have known that a group of terrorists were on their way to commit a terrible crime in the center of civilian populations. Would they have sat waiting until that will happen? I don't think so.

...


But of course, one must understand Arafat could avoid it. That's in his hand. He got the list of about 100 terrorists, who are preparing now all those car bombs and roadside bombs, and are mobilizing those suiciders, are preparing them, are sending them to commit their crimes. What he has to do is just to stop them.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Just seems odd that with all the vitriolic political attacks from both sides, that the only polticians to have a death list like this are the Clintons.

Yeah, let's draw our conclusions based on how nasty and vicious the most hateful people on the political spectrum can be. Good thinking.


Pathetic. You believe the Clintons are murderers -- though now you are lessening it to a "conspiracy" accusation -- but you still can't just say it. Or deny it.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
No, I am tolerant and seek to understand people and accept them on their own terms. I am working to come to grips with how you and yours could be so hateful and further, how you could seek to pass down that hate and intolerance to the youth. For me, I preach open minded tolerance and acceptance of all. Try it.

Bush is a murderer!!!! Laura Bush is a murderer!!!! Republicans are all murderers who support Stalin!!! And I only say these things because I saw a bumper sticker today that pissed me off!!!

Nah, your approach doesn't work for me. But thanks for the suggestion.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Ariel Sharon, interview with Fox in August 2001. This the result of 25 second on Google.
them.

Yes, 2001, before they changed the nomenclature out of deferrence for the victims. I'll ask my neighbour for a cite, he's an ex-IDF officer, although I am fairly certain I have only heard him say "homicide bomber".

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I really dont see that it makes that much difference. If you to war and are an aggressor, you are prepared to die from the start, but pretending its suicide affects the desired sympathy.

Have you ever felt sympathy for someone who was called a suicide bomber? Ever met anyone who said they felt that sympathy? Ever thought Ariel Sharon was trying to evoke sympathy when he used that term?


Please. If you really think that your enemy's willingness to die makes absolutely no difference, you are a fool.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yeah, let's draw our conclusions based on how nasty and vicious the most hateful people on the political spectrum can be. Good thinking.

Actually I don't think all Dems are as hateful as Carville and Begala and they shouldn't be drawn with the same broadbrush.

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Pathetic. You believe the Clintons are murderers -- though now you are lessening it to a "conspiracy" accusation -- but you still can't just say it. Or deny it.

Why are you so vested in this? My statements are clear. In the same way that I am not sure that OJ engaged in any criminal act (and certainly despite what some think, he was ajudicated otherwise) I am not certain that the Clintons didn't (other than perjury). Hopefully one day all of the evidence will come to the fore and we can make a fully informed judgment. It would be healing for our society.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Yes, 2001, before they changed the nomenclature out of deferrence for the victims. I'll ask my neighbour for a cite, he's an ex-IDF officer, although I am fairly certain I have only heard him say "homicide bomber".

This one is from April 2002 interview with CBS*. Another 12 seconds wasted on Google.


SHARON: They are choosing this kind of terror and when it comes to suicide bombers…


But hey, if you have a neighbor, well, I just don't know what to say. Except that the whole idea that Israel -- Sharon -- didn't pay enough respect to the vicitims of terror until he changed his wording (at a point in time to be identified by Penske's neighbor) is.... well, probably the third or fourth most ridiculous thing you've said today.



*Cue Penske to say it didn't really happen because, well, Dan Rather.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Actually I don't think all Dems are as hateful as Carville and Begala and they shouldn't be drawn with the same broadbrush.

"Hateful?" Its business. We're not talking about skinheads.

But I hear you. The poor GOP. So maligned, so misunderstood, so persecuted. I'm going to send them a stuffed animal.

You're card carrying crazy.

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And yet these people are anti-biased and tolerant. Explain it to me.

Perhaps they are open-minded, anti-biased and tolerant about everything except close-minded, biased intolerance. Is this a conundrum or a paradox?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Bush is a murderer!!!! Laura Bush is a murderer!!!! Republicans are all murderers who support Stalin!!! And I only say these things because I saw a bumper sticker today that pissed me off!!!

Nah, your approach doesn't work for me. But thanks for the suggestion.

Don't redirect your compatriots hatred on me Sidd. You have seen it, you have heard, hell, Wonk who makes the same criticism of me that you do, hatefully wished death upon W on this board (and Wonk, no offence, because I don't take it personally, I am just citing it as example). Harry Reid called Bush a Loser in front of a group of highschool students, I would say that is more hateful of his country and the youth of America than anything I have ever said and he is a leader of your party. Explain that?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Why are you so vested in this? My statements are clear.

No, they aren't clear at all. They are weaselly at best. Giving Hank the ability to claim that your "Clinton is a murderer" diatribe is just a schtick, when I think it's obvious that it's not.

And I like calling people on their bullshit, what can I say?

In the same way that I am not sure that OJ engaged in any criminal act (and certainly despite what some think, he was ajudicated otherwise) I am not certain that the Clintons didn't (other than perjury).

More bullshit. Let's try this:

Sidd: I believe OJ Simpson murdered his wife. (I am not "sure", in the sense of having seen it. But the evidence I have seen leads me to that "belief.")

Penske: I [do] [do not] believe that Bill Clinton has murdered people. I [do] [do not] believe that Hillary Clinton has murdered people. I [do] [do not] believe that Bill or Hillary Clinton have ordered people murdered.

Hopefully one day all of the evidence will come to the fore and we can make a fully informed judgment. It would be healing for our society.

Yeah, because Ken Starr just didn't have any investigative resources at his disposal.