Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
True. We'd better not head down that slipper . . . oops, line of thinking. Same argument applies to your human rights rationale.

Nice way to dodge your stupid statement. If we have a national security interest in Serbia then we have a national security interest in every country in the world. If we were justified in bombing Serbia on national security grounds then we are justified in bombing every country on the planet under national security grounds.

Kosovo is part of Serbia. Serbia is a soverign nation. They were not invading anyone or breaking international law. If we had no right to invade Iraq then we had no right to bomb Serbia. I have stated when I think the US should push for regime change or when the US should intervene militarily. You say that under my logic we would overextend ourselves, but following your logic we would be militarily intervening right now in every country in the world.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
The reading comprehension in this group is pathetic.

What are we not getting?

Originally posted by Spanky
Without the Embargo Cuban's would have been exposed much more to American culture and realized more how full of it their own Dictator is. If we had continued trade with Cuba I think Castro would have fallen by now.

Originally posted by Spanky
I think we give Castro six months to call free elections. If he does not we invade. No reason not to.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
Nice way to dodge your stupid statement. If we have a national security interest in Serbia then we have a national security interest in every country in the world. If we were justified in bombing Serbia on national security grounds then we are justified in bombing every country on the planet under national security grounds.

Kosovo is part of Serbia. Serbia is a soverign nation. They were not invading anyone or breaking international law. If we had no right to invade Iraq then we had no right to bomb Serbia. I have stated when I think the US should push for regime change or when the US should intervene militarily. You say that under my logic we would overextend ourselves, but following your logic we would be militarily intervening right now in every country in the world.

Nice way to dodge your stupid assertion that the situation in Cuba is comparable to Serbia.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Poll the business community. I think have a lot of trade or something with Europe.

And military bases, with a few hundred thousand of our people living there.

But economics is also a big part of national security -- the EU is one of the Big 3 in terms of trade, and our own economy would suffer as a result of a European war.

After all, if economics weren't an element of national security, why would the Mideast be a strategic region?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by dtb

People are poor, no doubt about it, but their basic human needs are met (food, shelter, health care). The system is highly flawed, but to say Castro is an illegitimate despot is patently ridiculous.

Did he win some election that I am not aware of? Or is there some other way to set up a legitimate government. Not a Despot? A dictator that throws hundreds of thousands of people in jail for their political beliefs. That is not a despot?

Do you really want to stand by you statement that saying "Castro is an illegitimate despot is patently ridiculous"?

[dtb]

Originally posted by Spanky
Did he win some election that I am not aware of?

He did win an election. Many of them, actually. Evidently, you are not aware of them. Are you sure you've been to Cuba? Legally?

Originally posted by Spanky

Do you really want to stand by you statement that saying "Castro is an illegitimate despot is patently ridiculous"?

Absolutely. I want to stand by me statement (whatever that means...). I would never have admitted it before going there (I've been there many times), but there it is.


Edited because I missed this gem:

Originally posted by Spanky
A dictator that throws hundreds of thousands of people in jail for their political beliefs.

Cite, please? The population of Cuba is about 11 million. Where do you get this figure?

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Spanky
Did he win some election that I am not aware of? Or is there some other way to set up a legitimate government. Not a Despot? A dictator that throws hundreds of thousands of people in jail for their political beliefs. That is not a despot?

Do you really want to stand by you statement that saying "Castro is an illegitimate despot is patently ridiculous"?

But if he were pro- free market, he'd be peachy-keen with you, right?

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by dtb
He did win an election. Many of them, actually. Evidently, you are not aware of them. Are you sure you've been to Cuba? Legally?

Commie.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Nice way to dodge your stupid assertion that the situation in Cuba is comparable to Serbia.

You stated that the only grounds for military intervention were if there was a national security risk to the United States.

I said "If you believe the only reason for armed intervention if another country is if they pose a national security risk you are the one most "bereft of morality and brains" than anyone on this board."

I said that Serbia did not pose a national security risk to the United States, so following your logic, boming Serbia made us a "rogue" nation.

I said I thought we were justified in bombing Serbia because of the ethnic cleansing and would be justified in taking out Cuba because of Castro is illegitimate dictator who is ruining his economy. But I don't remember comparing Cuba to Serbia.

Originally posted by Spanky
As I said before, to intervene, the country cannot be a democracy and its government must be ruining the economy. In addition, our intervention must be able to change that situation. Following these conditions there are not a lot of places to intervene.

North Korea falls under this catagory, but if we invade we lose Seoul and possibly San Francisco.

Syria and Iran are now adopting free market policies so they are out.

Burma would be good, but the US public would never support it.

Belarus falls under this catagory but Russia would not like this and they have nuclear weapons.

Although Hugo Chavez is destryoing his economy he is still supported by the majority of the people.

That leaves Cuba.

Why would we lose San francisco if we invade N. Korea? Is Spankyland going to be occupide?

Why do we have to invade anybody? That social security surplus burning a hole in your pocket? Liberate the Mojitos!

[dtb]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Commie.

HA! If there's anyone on this forum who has a personal reason to hate Castro, I am that person. (I know you're kidding NB.) There are obviously plenty of reasons to think communism is a failure, my personal situation notwithstanding. I don't need to go into them here; but to say that Castro is an illegitimate leader is to be wilfully ignorant.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by dtb
He did win an election. Many of them, actually. Evidently, you are not aware of them. Are you sure you've been to Cuba? Legally?

Are you really going to go there. And yes Stalin won elections also. But did Castro win a legitimate election.

Originally posted by dtb Absolutely. I want to stand by me statement (whatever that means...). I would never have admitted it before going there (I've been there many times), but there it is.

Ok you think Castro is the legitimate leader of Cuba and is not a despot.


Edited because I missed this gem:

Originally posted by dtb Cite, please? The population of Cuba is about 11 million. Where do you get this figure?

I should have left off the number. Would you disagree that he has many political prioners. Do non despots keep political prisoners?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Not Bob
But if he were pro- free market, he'd be peachy-keen with you, right?

Now you are learning. Yes. Because if his economy was growing his people would be getting wealthier and would eventually have the means with which to change their own government.

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
So much for the raising of the IQ.

The fact that people are even debating whether to invade Cuba is quite possibly the DUmbest thing I have heard in quite some time. Is this a joke? Are you guys baiting Spanky or something? What is this board , anway? A bumch of barracudas luring in the one lone Republican guppy?

I come from an entirely Republican family and they would mostly agree that I am mainly correct whenI say, wtf? CUba?

[dtb]

Originally posted by Spanky
Do non despots keep political prisoners?

Are you really going to go there?