Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by nononono
Ahem, I believe you were largely responsible for this off-topic drivel.

His continuing ruthless assertion of power over this board is nothing short of terrorism. I'm preparing indictments and therapy as we speak.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I hate to break it to you, they are still around and influential in politics. Jamie Gorelick/the 911 Commission report/Able Danger are relevant and direct results of the Clinton presidency. Further, one of the co-presidents is the leading candidate for the 2008 Dem nomination. Oh, wait, Clinton is not office and all effect of his presidency disappeared. And Hillary is a right wing Dem now.

If they're so influential in politics, point to a single peice of legislation or current policy that they have implemented or prevented. Just one. If you can't then shut the fuck up about it.

I think there are day to day policy statements and actions reflect what is going on. Any plan undergoes changes and corrections as it unfolds. They have stated the goal, from the start and I dont see them wavering. We had a referendum on it in November, the people approved the course of action. Other than giving it time to blossom, what more needs to be said? As for tax cuts, there is plenty of fat in the budget that can be taken out.

What more needs to be said? Not a lot. But a ot more needs to be done. We need more troops. If we want to stop the car bombs, and the kidnappings and killings of the Iraqis committed to the process, we need soldiers there to maintain the peace. And by that I mean enough soldiers to actually enforce order, not just enough to keep the body count high. We also need to be able to float loans to build an infrastructure, to be paid back out of oil revenue. And we need to make Saudi Arabia stand back and let it happen, and not play games with the market to keep the Iraqi oil from paying for the rebuilding.

I disagree about the fat. There is a lot of fat in the budget, but try and get congress to cut it. It won't happen. Which means that tax cuts are out, if the government is going to pay for the war in Iraq without mortgaging our grandchildren's future.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
His continuing ruthless assertion of power over this board is nothing short of terrorism. I'm preparing indictments and therapy as we speak.

I just got that sine que non includes sine.

how come no one will explain what trigs meant?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by nononono
Charming idiosyncrasy? Is that like endearing quirk? Because those are not that popular around here.

Yes. I am aware of the unpopularity. If I cared about such things, I might be hurt. But I don't.

[nononono]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Well, I should hope not. I'd have lost all respect for you if you could.

Well, whew, thank God I dodged that bullet!

[nononono]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
His continuing ruthless assertion of power over this board is nothing short of terrorism. I'm preparing indictments and therapy as we speak.

Massage, Freudian or electro-shock?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Are you saying that there is not the slightest possibility Foster could have met with fowl play? I think there is, although its open whose hand was on the gun.

I am saying that to this day I have not seen a scintilla of credible evidence connecting anybody at all to Vince Foster's death. I think that people who believe otherwise need to take their place in line behind the Kennedy assasination conspiracy whackjobs and wait patiently. The Kennedy nutjobs haven't stopped talking and they were here first.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
If they're so influential in politics, point to a single peice of legislation or current policy that they have implemented or prevented. Just one. If you can't then shut the fuck up about it.

The Gorelick Wall, for which they are directly responsible, led to 911. Gorelick's attempt to cover it up and the related ommission of Able Danger from the 911 Commission report undermines our current policy adjustments that were supposed to be effected based the 911 Report. Why would Clinton's hack, Gorelick, attempt to continue to undermine national security.

As a related topic, what documents exactly did Berger steal? Could they have been related to the Gorelick wall, other 911 related knowledge? I am deeply concerned both by the fact that the Clinton administrations active dereliction of duty in the 1990s caused 911, and the fact that their continued presence in the government by proxy perpetuates the damage that their administration did.

All of this is poiintedly more relevant when one correctly acknowledges that a hillary presidenty, god forbid, would be a third term.

Originally posted by taxwonk


What more needs to be said? Not a lot. But a ot more needs to be done. We need more troops. If we want to stop the car bombs, and the kidnappings and killings of the Iraqis committed to the process, we need soldiers there to maintain the peace. And by that I mean enough soldiers to actually enforce order, not just enough to keep the body count high. We also need to be able to float loans to build an infrastructure, to be paid back out of oil revenue. And we need to make Saudi Arabia stand back and let it happen, and not play games with the market to keep the Iraqi oil from paying for the rebuilding.

I think that they are doing the hard work on these items or some of them. Its not a wand waving exercise.

Originally posted by taxwonk

I disagree about the fat. There is a lot of fat in the budget, but try and get congress to cut it. It won't happen. Which means that tax cuts are out, if the government is going to pay for the war in Iraq without mortgaging our grandchildren's future.

Frankly, I'll be dead. I'll take the present consumption and hope that the appreciation on our national real estate will provide our grandchildren with a collective windfall when they cash out their equity.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I am saying that to this day I have not seen a scintilla of credible evidence connecting anybody at all to Vince Foster's death. I think that people who believe otherwise need to take their place in line behind the Kennedy assasination conspiracy whackjobs and wait patiently. The Kennedy nutjobs haven't stopped talking and they were here first.

1. What you considerable credible and what might be objectively credible are not necessarily the same thing.

2. Do you believe that the Warren Commission is the definitive word ont he Kennedy Assassination? I don't, but I don't consider myself a Kennedy conspriacy theorist, I just think a shoddy rushed jobm with perhaps some elements of coverup was conducted. But as with Vince Foster, the investigation is effectively closed, so all of us and history are done a disservice in both instances.

Thankfully, the FBI is expending its resources on the Natalie Hollaway case, because that one is really important.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Are you saying that there is not the slightest possibility Foster could have met with fowl play?

I thought the duck discussion was over on the FB?

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Senators represent the whole state Moron. It is a relevant issue even if the ignorant liberal fucks in Manhattan don't identify it as such.

And I am saying that polls suggest that NYers are okay with Hillary running for president. If you don't like it, don't move there. Moron. Does everyone have to spell it out to you in capital letters before you get anything?

Have you ever posted anything but stupidity?

I have a long way to go before I even begin to challenge your record.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Yes. Still is. There were sanctions etc. showing that the UN believed that Iraq had them Ty argues that Clinton blew up some stuff and that's why they were all gone. This "magic missile" theory is perhaps why Clinton believed shooting a cruise missile into a hill inAfghanistan negated the Taliban.

Actually, that was the conclusion of the U.S. govt people who studied the question after we occupied the country. Sorry to distract you with the facts.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Frankly, I'll be dead. I'll take the present consumption and hope that the appreciation on our national real estate will provide our grandchildren with a collective windfall when they cash out their equity.

Ah, yes, the Republican Party Platform. Elegant in its simplicity, it consists of a single plank stating: "I've got mine; fuck all y'all."

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Yes, but the relative numbers are far from comparable. The number of hard-liners is but a small minority. Look at what is happening this week. The will of the majority of Israelis is being executed by forcing their countrymen to abandon their homes in hopes of a potential peace with the Palis. . . .

How are they failing to deal with them in good faith? Look at what is happening this week. Israel is voluntarily giving up land acquired 30+ years ago. This search for moral equivalency is ridiculous.

Who said anything about moral equivalency?

You can point out that Israel is not blameless without insisting that it bears all the blame.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
And I am saying that polls suggest that NYers are okay with Hillary running for president. If you don't like it, don't move there. Moron. Does everyone have to spell it out to you in capital letters before you get anything?


I have a long way to go before I even begin to challenge your record.

I am afraid I have to retract the above. According to the August 3, 2005 Quinnipac Univ. poll, an overwhelming majority of NY voters say that HRH should pledge to serve her full term. My information source for the above was absolutely incorrect.

I owe an apology to PA, and he shall have it.