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Old 10-17-2005, 10:27 AM   #4156
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Str8 moment: I do know at least 4 people in the underware picture though. Good times good times.
Unfortunately, it's the guy with the uncolored John 3:16 hair and the three in front of him.
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Old 10-17-2005, 10:57 AM   #4157
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Unfortunately, it's the guy with the uncolored John 3:16 hair and the three in front of him.
Perhaps, I will confirm that it is not the one woman I can pick out in that picture. nttawwt. The one on the far right I am unclear on.
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Old 10-17-2005, 11:38 AM   #4159
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HOWEVER, to call their mascot racist is pretty damned gay. These bullshit debates about mascots like theirs - created by self-important politically correct pains in the asses with nothing better to do - also insult (and undermine the credibility of the valid claims of) people who suffer actual, real racism.
How do you figger?

Pick any other race and make them a fuckin' mascot and then ask yourself what that does as far as reinforcing stereotypes, trivializing racist attitudes toward that race and generally just offending the fuck out of a bunch of people.

And why should it not be changed? Because the people who went or go to that school are used to it? Tradition? Kiss my ass.

The St. John's Redmen went to the Red Storm, it didn't affect the school, the players, the fans or the alumni one bit. There was the initial uproar and then they realized it's all the same shit.

It's the people who hang on to these types of things who have problems. And the "real" racism is built on bullshit like this. It's an attitude toward people that manifests itself in many ways. One being, designing your school's fucking mascot after a race of people.

And the Redskins? Are you serious?

"Hey! I'm Native American and I find that offensive."

"Shut the fuck up you oversensitive, PC loser! Come back when you've experienced some real racism. What's the world coming to when we have to be worried about offending some injuns?"

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

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Old 10-17-2005, 11:44 AM   #4160
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How do you figger?

Pick any other race and make them a fuckin' mascot and then ask yourself what that does as far as reinforcing stereotypes, trivializing racist attitudes toward that race and generally just offending the fuck out of a bunch of people.

And why should it not be changed? Because the people who went or go to that school are used to it? Tradition? Kiss my ass.

The St. John's Redmen went to the Red Storm, it didn't affect the school, the players, the fans or the alumni one bit. There was the initial uproar and then they realized it's all the same shit.

It's the people who hang on to these types of things who have problems. And the "real" racism is built on bullshit like this. It's an attitude toward people that manifests itself in many ways. One being, designing your school's fucking mascot after a race of people.

And the Redskins? Are you serious?

"Hey! I'm Native American and I find that offensive."

"Shut the fuck up you oversensitive, PC loser! Come back when you've experienced some real racism. What's the world coming to when we have to be worried about offending some injuns?"

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

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The Celts haven't complained about Boston's basketball team. And I haven't heard the Italians complain about the Garden State Wops.
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The Celts haven't complained about Boston's basketball team. And I haven't heard the Italians complain about the Garden State Wops.
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Old 10-17-2005, 12:15 PM   #4162
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Happiness may be a warm puppy (hi, RP!), but satisfaction is a belly full of expensive steak and cheap red wine while watching your alma mater beat a nationally ranked team from a mutherfuckin' red state with a racist mascot. In HD.

Life is not good, but parts of it are simply excellent.
Personally, I'm glad the winning team's state is simply red, and not motherfuckin' red.
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Also anyone who has stayed at the Ritz-carlton in Cleveland has the same knowledge.
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How do you figger?

Pick any other race and make them a fuckin' mascot and then ask yourself what that does as far as reinforcing stereotypes, trivializing racist attitudes toward that race and generally just offending the fuck out of a bunch of people.

And why should it not be changed? Because the people who went or go to that school are used to it? Tradition? Kiss my ass.

The St. John's Redmen went to the Red Storm, it didn't affect the school, the players, the fans or the alumni one bit. There was the initial uproar and then they realized it's all the same shit.

It's the people who hang on to these types of things who have problems. And the "real" racism is built on bullshit like this. It's an attitude toward people that manifests itself in many ways. One being, designing your school's fucking mascot after a race of people.

And the Redskins? Are you serious?

"Hey! I'm Native American and I find that offensive."

"Shut the fuck up you oversensitive, PC loser! Come back when you've experienced some real racism. What's the world coming to when we have to be worried about offending some injuns?"

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

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I don't see ethnic stereotyping in mascots as racist. The distincyion is subtle, but important.

Racism, as I understand it, is the classic "blacks should be separate" or "whites are more advanced than blacks, etc..." attitudes. It is an offshoot of slavery and the prevailing attitudes that made slavery acceptable in its time. Nobody is saying that Native Americans are less human than anyone else when they use the Seminole mascot. In fact, having read about what warriors, the Seminoles were (fucking up all sorts of Union Troops sent to kill them), its kind of a nod to state heritage, and a bit of a compliment. I mean, here's a school of drunk white kids who have an Indian as their mascot. But that's sort of an aside. My real point is that racism shouldn't be confused with ethnic insensitivity. I think the black/white base of racism is unique, and using the term "racism" to cover things like bad choice of mascots degrades the very specific and ongoing issue of racism that still exists today. I guess, simply put, racism to me is a black/white thing.

I get ticked when I hear people refer to anything as a "new racism" or a "modern Holocaust." I just don't think the two can be used as analogies to ethnic insensitivity. Perhaps I'm being too narrow in my definitions... You could say its nothing more than a semantic objection on my part - that "ethnic insensitivity" and "racism" are interchangeable. But I don't think so.
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Personally, I'm glad the winning team's state is simply red, and not motherfuckin' red.
Well. In the border regions, no promises.
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I don't see ethnic stereotyping in mascots as racist. The distincyion is subtle, but important.

Racism, as I understand it, is the classic "blacks should be separate" or "whites are more advanced than blacks, etc..." attitudes. It is an offshoot of slavery and the prevailing attitudes that made slavery acceptable in its time. Nobody is saying that Native Americans are less human than anyone else when they use the Seminole mascot. In fact, having read about what warriors, the Seminoles were (fucking up all sorts of Union Troops sent to kill them), its kind of a nod to state heritage, and a bit of a compliment. I mean, here's a school of drunk white kids who have an Indian as their mascot. But that's sort of an aside. My real point is that racism shouldn't be confused with ethnic insensitivity. I think the black/white base of racism is unique, and using the term "racism" to cover things like bad choice of mascots degrades the very specific and ongoing issue of racism that still exists today. I guess, simply put, racism to me is a black/white thing.

I get ticked when I hear people refer to anything as a "new racism" or a "modern Holocaust." I just don't think the two can be used as analogies to ethnic insensitivity. Perhaps I'm being too narrow in my definitions... You could say its nothing more than a semantic objection on my part - that "ethnic insensitivity" and "racism" are interchangeable. But I don't think so.
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Call it whatever, you wouldn't see a team called the "insert any black or asian handle." This is true regardless of whether it were an insulting name or a "proud" name.
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Call it whatever, you wouldn't see a team called the "insert any black or asian handle." This is true regardless of whether it were an insulting name or a "proud" name.
I find the name of the Houston NFL team, but more because it's embarrassing to be associated with the team.
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I need to tell you. One of the very best things about Autumn? Candy apples. I am a happy girl. One of the worst things? Chapped lips. Ouch.
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I need to tell you. One of the very best things about Autumn? Candy apples. I am a happy girl. One of the worst things? Chapped lips. Ouch.
I like rediscovering items in my sweater/cooler weather drawer.
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I need to tell you. One of the very best things about Autumn? Candy apples. I am a happy girl. One of the worst things? Chapped lips. Ouch.
It sounds like you had a fun weekend. I am liking the fall weather as well.

I am not liking my boyfriend too much right now. He is like 50% fantastic, and 50% really super-annoying. Right now the super-annoying is winning out and must be sensing it because he just sent me a very gushy e-mail to which I'd like to respond "fuck you." fuck.

fuck. fuck. fuck.
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