Waiting for Fitzgerald - Page 321

Spanky · 11-02-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I'll defer to your greater knowledge and concede. However, I'll offer this... have the next GOP Prez raise taxes and see if he gets a second term.

Some how they main stream Republicans have taken on the tax issue as their own. People that don't even really benefit from tax cuts, chant it like a mantra. The most hardcore no new tax Republicans are the religious conservatives. It is the principle or something.

Penske_Account · 11-02-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And NY, CA and MA would give them away for free - like those AOL CD-Roms.

It's beauty of the thing.

exactly

It's not like anyone wants to live in Utah anyway. You go there to ski maybe.

SlaveNoMore · 11-02-2005, 08:09 PM

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Spanky
You make it sound like the GOP is just the business community and fiscal conservatives. I really, really, really, wish that were true. But the Republican party is much more than that. You add up the business community and fiscal conservatives and you can't even elect a dog catcher.

Bush, in those debates, kept preaching the same message over and over again. He may have not said it eloquently, but he kept repeating the same message and it really resonated with voters. The vast majority of voters say they though Kerry won the debates but most viewers liked Bush's message.

I have seen focus groups on this. It is amazing how he connected with voters in those debates.

Do you even know what the message was?

"Now watch this swing!!!"

SlaveNoMore · 11-02-2005, 08:11 PM

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Penske_Account
exactly

It's not like anyone wants to live in Utah anyway. You go there to ski maybe.

Right. So the lesson to be learned here - is that if you fuck in a Park City hot tub, make sure you go home in a month or two... just in case.

ltl/fb · 11-02-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Bush, in those debates, kept preaching the same message over and over again. He may have not said it eloquently, but he kept repeating the same message and it really resonated with voters. The vast majority of voters say they though Kerry won the debates but most viewers liked Bush's message.

I have seen focus groups on this. It is amazing how he connected with voters in those debates.

Do you even know what the message was?

Does anyone, including the people who, when polled immediately after the debates, said they liked it? Actually, do you think that the majority of the people who said they liked Bush's message could have said what that message was?

Has anyone else seen the fake news clip where they are interviewing the guy who makes up the "misstatements" Bush makes constantly -- it's about how really he is perfectly coherent, and his "put food on our families" and made-up words stuff is scripted to make him seem more accessible. It's funny.

Sexual Harassment Panda · 11-02-2005, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Some how they main stream Republicans have taken on the tax issue as their own. People that don't even really benefit from tax cuts, chant it like a mantra. The most hardcore no new tax Republicans are the religious conservatives. It is the principle or something.

That is so true. I have a family member, hard core Republican dittohead, who lives in a state that is among the bottom five in total tax burden (state + federal), yet he whines about his taxes more than anyone else I know.

Of course, he also whines about his job, his boss, the cops, his bank, his insurance company, his lawyer, his wife, his kid, the local pro football team -- so maybe he's just a whiner.

Penske_Account · 11-02-2005, 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Some how they main stream Republicans have taken on the tax issue as their own. People that don't even really benefit from tax cuts, chant it like a mantra. The most hardcore no new tax Republicans are the religious conservatives. It is the principle or something.

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I'm anti-tax. It's a property rights issue. And a small government isue. Stay the fuck out of my wallet and limit government instrusion in our lives. At least Fed govt.

Penske_Account · 11-02-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Right. So the lesson to be learned here - is that if you fuck in a Park City hot tub, make sure you go home in a month or two... just in case.

Word. And BYOB.

Penske_Account · 11-02-2005, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Does anyone, including the people who, when polled immediately after the debates, said they liked it? Actually, do you think that the majority of the people who said they liked Bush's message could have said what that message was?

Has anyone else seen the fake news clip where they are interviewing the guy who makes up the "misstatements" Bush makes constantly -- it's about how really he is perfectly coherent, and his "put food on our families" and made-up words stuff is scripted to make him seem more accessible. It's funny.

I liked it. You are one of the immorally relativistic irrelevant left, you wouldn't understand his message.

Penske_Account · 11-02-2005, 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
That is so true. I have a family member, hard core Republican .

So you got the weak genes in the family. too bad about that.

Spanky · 11-02-2005, 08:25 PM

I love the Irony of the Western European nations who critisize us for our race relations and crime rate. But now that they have signficant foreign nationals and racial minorities our country seems like a racial paradise. North African muslims only represent four percent of the population of France but they almost put Le Pen in office. Germany's turkish population only reaches three percent and they have massive riots and problems.

Openly racist parties have strong showing in Austria, Belgium, Netherlands and Italy.

All European countrys now have large ghettos full of racial minorities, these communities have increased the crime rate and their jails are full of ethnic minorities.

It seems that assimilation isn't all that easy after all.

Our crime rate just dropped below that of most western European nations.

They are not looking so enlightened any more.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/051102/1/3w5ml.html

Sexual Harassment Panda · 11-02-2005, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
So you got the weak genes in the family. too bad about that.

Not to worry. I pull in about 3x what he does. Musta done something right.

Penske_Account · 11-02-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Not to worry. I pull in about 3x what he does. Musta done something right.

Like in Hollyweird or with Monica it's all about who ya blow in the lefties' world.

Spanky · 11-02-2005, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Does anyone, including the people who, when polled immediately after the debates, said they liked it? Actually, do you think that the majority of the people who said they liked Bush's message could have said what that message was?

Has anyone else seen the fake news clip where they are interviewing the guy who makes up the "misstatements" Bush makes constantly -- it's about how really he is perfectly coherent, and his "put food on our families" and made-up words stuff is scripted to make him seem more accessible. It's funny.

You weren't listening. In the focus groups I saw they were able to sum up Bushes message, but could not sum up Kerry's message.

Bush's message:

1) Tax cuts are turning the economy around, lets stick with the course.

2) We have brought democracy to Iraq and kicked out an evil dictator, lets not leave before the job is finished.

3) We are fighting a war on terror, it is expensive and it is difficult, but we need to fight it and not screw around (no major terrorist attack since 9-11 so our current approach is working).

More simply:

STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. FINISH THE JOB FINISH THE JOB FINISH THE JOB.

Penske_Account · 11-02-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
I love the Irony of the Western European nations who critisize us for our race relations and crime rate. But now that they have signficant foreign nationals and racial minorities our country seems like a racial paradise. North African muslims only represent four percent of the population of France but they almost put Le Pen in office. Germany's turkish population only reaches three percent and they have massive riots and problems.

Openly racist parties have strong showing in Austria, Belgium, Netherlands and Italy.

All European countrys now have large ghettos full of racial minorities, these communities have increased the crime rate and their jails are full of ethnic minorities.

It seems that assimilation isn't all that easy after all.

Our crime rate just dropped below that of most western European nations.

They are not looking so enlightened any more.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/051102/1/3w5ml.html

The racism of the Western Euros makes Grand Cyclops Bobby Byrd look like a progressive humanitarian. they are rotten morally decayed societies. Socialism is a symptom and a cause.