A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[SlaveNoMore]

Secret_Agent_Man
The police involved should and could have controlled and handled the situation (i.e. prevented escalation). They screwed up. Bottom line.

S_A_M

True. But to make it into some sort of anti-Muslim charade, like CAIR is trying to do is disgusting.

Police wrong? Probably. And that's being kind.

Individual wrong? Abso-fucking-lutely. And he deserved a beating.

Perhaps not that beating - but like RT (I think), I'm not a fan of electrical stun guns, especially when one well placed club to the back of the knee would have taken him out for a half hour.

Not10(as a military guy SAMy, you know what I mean)yS

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
True. But to make it into some sort of anti-Muslim charade, like CAIR is trying to do is disgusting.

Police wrong? Probably. And that's being kind.

Individual wrong? Abso-fucking-lutely. And he deserved a beating.

Perhaps not that beating - but like RT (I think), I'm not a fan of electrical stun guns, especially when one well placed club to the back of the knee would have taken him out for a half hour.

Not10(as a military guy SAMy, you know what I mean)yS

I don't understand why you're more agitated about CAIR's grandstanding than about a UCLA student getting tasered repeatedly because he didn't have his ID card on him. I wasn't paying attention to this story earlier today, but I watched the YouTube video tonight, and it's blood-curdling, especially if you know that once you've been tasered once you may well be incapable of doing what they demanded of him -- and so they hit him again several times.

Another student in the library asked for the officer's name and badge number and they threatened to taser her. That's just not right.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't understand why you're more agitated about CAIR's grandstanding than about a UCLA student getting tasered repeatedly because he didn't have his ID card on him. I wasn't paying attention to this story earlier today, but I watched the YouTube video tonight, and it's blood-curdling, especially if you know that once you've been tasered once you may well be incapable of doing what they demanded of him -- and so they hit him again several times.

Another student in the library asked for the officer's name and badge number and they threatened to taser her. That's just not right.

cops say you should do X, you have to do X. without that things break down.

Campus cops at the schools I've been to are effectively rent-a -cops who hit the lottery. I would never disregard their instructions becasue I know they are super incompetant.

but the "campus cops do bad" is something everyone agrees with. you don't like when people post stuff that everyone agrees with, right?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
cops say you should do X, you have to do X. without that things break down.

The account I read said that he was walking out with a cop, and that a second cop grabbed his arm, and that when he protested that they tasered him.

I personally wouldn't do what he did, but in no way does it justify the cops' actions.

Campus cops at the schools I've been to are effectively rent-a -cops who hit the lottery. I would never disregard their instructions becasue I know they are super incompetant.

OK. Unclear that giving them tasers is a good move.

but the "campus cops do bad" is something everyone agrees with. you don't like when people post stuff that everyone agrees with, right?

Only when you're so dense that you argue anyway.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I personally wouldn't do what he did, but in no way does it justify the cops' actions.

yes. we would all agree.

Only when you're so dense that you argue anyway.

whoa. meta!

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
I don't understand why you're more agitated about CAIR's grandstanding than about a UCLA student getting tasered repeatedly because he didn't have his ID card on him. I wasn't paying attention to this story earlier today, but I watched the YouTube video tonight, and it's blood-curdling, especially if you know that once you've been tasered once you may well be incapable of doing what they demanded of him -- and so they hit him again several times.

Another student in the library asked for the officer's name and badge number and they threatened to taser her. That's just not right.

Douchebag didn't have his ID on him - as I posted earlier, it is standard, common policy for them to check anyone and everyone after 11pm - and then he got belligerent when questioned.

Ty, let me repeat, I'm not a fan of the Taser, and I think that better security - think NYPD - would have kneed him and dragged him out in 20 seconds. However, incident is indicative of (i) security being afraid these days of acting quickly and decisively, lest they get accused of something (and lo and behold, they didn't and they did) and (ii) a victim-loving society just waiting for someone to play the race/gender/religion card to cry oppression - in this case (and most every recent case) the Muslim card.

Fuck UCLA security. Fuck CAIR. But more importantly, fuck this bastard student who should have immediately walked out when he knew he was in the wrong.

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Douchebag didn't have his ID on him - ... fuck this bastard student who should have immediately walked out when he knew he was in the wrong.

Because I am in the mood:

The 9th Circuit has ruled that people do not have to carry ID, i.e. this is not Russia - we do not have to carry our papers.

That said, I recognize that UCLA can restrict who uses their library and use methods (such as having the local student brown shirts inquire into approved status) to make sure that only offically sanctioned persons are allowed to read their hallowed tomes. I am bothered, however, by the cavalier attitude that if you don't kowtow, you get zapped.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by LessinSF
Because I am in the mood:

The 9th Circuit has ruled that people do not have to carry ID, i.e. this is not Russia - we do not have to carry our papers.

That said, I recognize that UCLA can restrict who uses their library and use methods (such as having the local student brown shirts inquire into approved status) to make sure that only offically sanctioned persons are allowed to read their hallowed tomes. I am bothered, however, by the cavalier attitude that if you don't kowtow, you get zapped.

Silly Less. Using the authority of 9th Circuit judges to try and convince Slave. Were you stoned when you wrote this?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by LessinSF
Civil Liberties? You don't have to walk.

Actually, I do.

Originally posted by LessinSF
If you want to get on a street you have to agree to be searched - thoroughly.

Are you seriously suggesting that a stroll on a public street is similar to buying a ticket on a commercial airline? Don't night clubs search people before they let them in? Why aren't you complaining about that?

You seem to be using the Slippery Slope argument here. The Greeks properly labeled the Slippery Slope argument as a falacy, and it is an argument only employed by idiots. For example: we should completely dismantle the criminal justice system because if we don't it will eventually lead to fascism.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by LessinSF
Because I am in the mood:

The 9th Circuit has ruled that people do not have to carry ID, i.e. this is not Russia - we do not have to carry our papers.

That said, I recognize that UCLA can restrict who uses their library and use methods (such as having the local student brown shirts inquire into approved status) to make sure that only offically sanctioned persons are allowed to read their hallowed tomes. I am bothered, however, by the cavalier attitude that if you don't kowtow, you get zapped.

He was in a private library. If you are on private property and someone tells you to leave you get the hell out. You don't have to give them your ID, but if you don't when asked, they have every right to tell you to leave and you need to comply with their request. If you don't leave they are allowed to throw you out.

However, if you are leaving voluntarily they have no right to assault you as you are leaving. So if it turns out this guy was voluntarily leaving and a police officer grabbed him for no reason then the cops were in the wrong. The guy had every right to tell the cop not to touch him as he was leaving the library. So if the facts are he was voluntarily leaving and the cop grabbed him, and he told the cop to not touch him, and he got tasered that sounds like assault to me.

However, if he was resisting leaving then the cops were in the right.

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by Spanky
Are you seriously suggesting that a stroll on a public street is similar to buying a ticket on a commercial airline?

Q.E.D. You lose.

[SlaveNoMore]

LessinSF
Because I am in the mood:

The 9th Circuit has ruled that people do not have to carry ID, i.e. this is not Russia - we do not have to carry our papers.

Hmm, I had no idea.

Perhaps I'll walk into the University Club later for a snack and to watch Cal lose. When they ask me for ID, I'll just tell them "the 9th Circuit says I don't have to carry any. Nyeh, nyeh!"

[SlaveNoMore]

A Spanish teacher at Smithfield-Selma Senior High School resigned this week after handing out an assignment that some students and parents said teaches hate.

Khalid Chahhou, who was in his first year of teaching in Johnston County, gave students a worksheet in which they were to translate words and find them within a word-search puzzle.

Some students started uncovering strange words in the process.

"There were words like 'kill,' then I saw it said 'destroy America,'" Eric Herrera said.

As they read on, students found the puzzle contained a paragraph that contained the following phrases:

*"Sharon killed a lot of innocent people," a possible reference to former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

*"Palestine is not a terrorist group."

*"Allah help destroy this body of evil making humanity miserable."

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Clive Crook of the National Journal:

• The new intake of Democrats appears to be depressingly well stocked with "fair-traders."... The prospect of a successful Doha Round of global trade talks is therefore even more distant than it was before November 7.
  
  This is a great pity for the United States, and a really serious setback for the developing countries.... [B]uilding a coalition of support for open international markets is a great political challenge. The truth is, this administration has never so much as tried. It has scored dismally low marks on trade policy, frequently caving to protectionist interests on demand. The president's standing is so low that if he were to reverse himself now and try to support liberal trade, he might actually set the cause back even more. In all, the outlook for open markets has rarely seemed so bleak....

[SlaveNoMore]

This picture, released by protest organizers, show hundreds of Ethiopians taking to the streets of the capital to protest the landmark conviction by a US court of an Ethiopian man for sexually mutilating his two-year-old daughter with scissors. (AFP/HO)

via LGF