A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

No -- you?

No
I have seen film of Hitler eating. But, and though I know you could follow that that would not have been a "loss," some of the dimmer folk here might have seen it as such.*


* to "lose" i would need to call Ty Hitler, which I wasn't doing. Merely mentioning Hitler is not a loss.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

• WASHINGTON, Dec. 2 -- Two days before he resigned as defense secretary, Donald H. Rumsfeld submitted a classified memo to the White House that acknowledged that the Bush administration's strategy in Iraq was not working and called for a major course correction.
  
  "In my view it is time for a major adjustment," wrote Mr. Rumsfeld, who has been a symbol of a dogged stay-the-course policy. "Clearly, what U.S. forces are currently doing in Iraq is not working well enough or fast enough."
  
  Nor did Mr. Rumsfeld seem confident that the administration would readily develop an effective alternative. To limit the political fallout from shifting course he suggested the administration consider a campaign to lower public expectations.
  
  "Announce that whatever new approach the U.S. decides on, the U.S. is doing so on a trial basis," he wrote. "This will give us the ability to readjust and move to another course, if necessary, and therefore not 'lose.' "
  
  "Recast the U.S. military mission and the U.S. goals (how we talk about them) -- go minimalist," he added. Mr. Rumsfeld's memo suggests frustration with the pace of turning over responsibility to the Iraqi authorities; in fact, the memo calls for examination of ideas that roughly parallel troop withdrawal proposals presented by some of the White House's sharpest Democratic critics.
  
  The memo's discussion of possible troop reduction options offers a counterpoint to Mr. Rumsfeld's frequent public suggestions that discussions about force levels are driven by requests from American military commanders.
  
  Instead, the memo puts on the table several ideas for troop redeployments or withdrawals that appear to conflict with recent public pronouncements from commanders in Iraq emphasizing the need to maintain troop levels.

NYT

Wake up and smell the coffee, Spanky.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Wake up and smell the coffee, Spanky.

What does "classified memo" mean? is it different to the NYT?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
What does "classified memo" mean?

That whoever gave it to the NYT -- Rumsfeld? the White House? -- could get in trouble for doing so.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That whoever gave it to the NYT -- Rumsfeld? the White House? -- could get in trouble for doing so.

Can you imagine a newspaper in the United States publishing something classified during WW2? Can you imagine the political mindset of a person in that time who was pleased to read it the way you were now?

It's Rummy after the election, devastated and the poster boy for the defeat. Of course he is pessimistic. What makes me pessimistic is that the left wants us to lose.

Oh, I do agree with the part of your post where you say sometihng is fucked.

Do you hope to raise your children Shia or Sunni? I have a daughter. I hope you understand why I'm not on your side.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Can you imagine a newspaper in the United States publishing something classified during WW2? Can you imagine the political mindset of a person in that time who was pleased to read it the way you were now?

It's not like there's anything in that article about Iraq that's news to anyone who has been paying attention. I posted because Spanky doesn't seem to be in that group. It's nice to know that Rumsfeld was. Is Bush? Evidently you are, because you're trying to change the subject.

It's Rummy after the election, devastated and the poster boy for the defeat. Of course he is pessimistic.

I thought it was Rumsfeld before the election, since the memo was written two days before he was canned, and he was canned the day after the election, but perhaps I misunderstood.

What makes me pessimistic is that the left wants us to lose.

What makes you trollish is that you know that's not true.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Can you imagine a newspaper in the United States publishing something classified during WW2?

What, you mean like the Chicago Tribune publishing FDR's Secret War Plans?

Yes, actually, it's a pretty famous incident, and the first of many major WWII leaks.

Ignorant fuck.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
It's Rummy after the election, devastated and the poster boy for the defeat.

I take back anything negative I may have said about you. It's clear you've just been drinking given your reading comprehension.

What does your daughter think about all Daddy's drinking? I hope you're not driving her to a tee-totalling religion with this.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Can you imagine a newspaper in the United States publishing something classified during WW2? Can you imagine the political mindset of a person in that time who was pleased to read it the way you were now?

It's Rummy after the election, devastated and the poster boy for the defeat. Of course he is pessimistic. What makes me pessimistic is that the left wants us to lose.

Oh, I do agree with the part of your post where you say sometihng is fucked.

Do you hope to raise your children Shia or Sunni? I have a daughter. I hope you understand why I'm not on your side.

When you post things like this, I would prefer you not do so with the prayer shawl and yarmulke avatar. I find the juxtaposition very offensive.

[nononono]

Originally posted by taxwonk
When you post things like this, I would prefer you not do so with the prayer shawl and yarmulke avatar. I find the juxtaposition very offensive.

Why, exactly?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I thought it was Rumsfeld before the election, since the memo was written two days before he was canned, and he was canned the day after the election, but perhaps I misunderstood.

ummm, what did the polls say the day before?

and the NYT gleefully publishes a "confidential memo" and I ask WTF? and I'm the one changing the subject?

Ty when this board meant something, when it wasn't simply Spanky saying shit he knows is outrageous, i actually was a major contributor. Now you have this board where you have "discussions" with Spanky, but no other R bothers. You talk about the "mess" of Iraq- well Iraq was fucked up before. This board was pretty cool before you fucked it up.
At least Rummy thought about criticism. Do you not see that this board is a wasteland?

Last week, on FB you all blasted Spanky as being delusional in his arguing style. I think Spank is just fucking with you, but whatever, you all believe he is divorced from reality- YET he is all that is left here. You have ran off everyone else. Slave links to lgf articles twice a week, but otherwise you've killed this place.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
What, you mean like the Chicago Tribune publishing FDR's Secret War Plans?

Yes, actually, it's a pretty famous incident, and the first of many major WWII leaks.

Ignorant fuck.

I had decided to leave you alone and let you try to exist on FB- i figured you'd fuck up with someone else, but I had decided to tolerate you.

Que sera sera.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
no other R bothers.

Given that you don't bother, why is your post count here so high?

If you want to tell me how I fucked up the board or ran off everyone, you know how to PM me. As you know, I've offered to listen before.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Que sera sera.

Off my corner, ho.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Given that you don't bother, why is your post count here so high?

because this place doesn't matter. I can shit here, and no one who I care about smells it.