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[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop

The Ron Paul lunatics are methodically spamming every poll on the internet.

In a way, it's impressive how organized they appear to be.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The Ron Paul lunatics are methodically spamming every poll on the internet.

In a way, it's impressive how organized they appear to be.

Maybe more people want to go back to the gold standard than previously realized.

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Maybe more people want to go back to the gold standard than previously realized.

When did we go off of the gold standard? Is it now a silver standard?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
What was the guilt or innocence question in Clinton's case?

In my opionion, there wasn't much of a question.

But I still thought the whole investigation, and process, and the impeachment, was a horrible thing for the Country.

S_A_M

P.S. For Libby, I really have no idea if he's guilty, but I think its a damn shame that the whole thing happened, and that a basically decent man who was almost certainly following orders (when he did the underlying Plame leak) is going to jail.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Was there a criminal investigation?

Why yes. It's called "impeachment."

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
In my opionion, there wasn't much of a question.

But I still thought the whole investigation, and process, and the impeachment, was a horrible thing for the Country.
.

What was even more horrible for our country and our profession was that we had a President, who was also a lawyer, who perjured himself and sought to obstruct justice before a Federal judge. How sad. Hank, do they do teach ethics at Yale?

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by fair and balanced
What was even more horrible for our country and our profession was that we had a President, who was also a lawyer, who perjured himself and sought to obstruct justice before a Federal judge. How sad. Hank, do they do teach ethics at Yale?

Yankees and ethics! Pshaw.

To imagine that our nation's highest law enforcement official would perjure himself, or engage in wanton conflicts of interest, or seek political advantage in the administration of justice! Back home, we'd apply generous amounts of "justice" to anyone who behaved like this.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
For Libby, I really have no idea if he's guilty....

He was prosecuted by a U.S. Attorney (appointed by George W. Bush), convicted by a jury, and sentenced by a federal judge (also appointed by George W. Bush) who said that the evidence of his guilt was "overwhelming." Have you not been paying attention, or were you waiting for something more before you make up your mind? If so, what? A confession?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
He was prosecuted by a U.S. Attorney (appointed by George W. Bush), convicted by a jury, and sentenced by a federal judge (also appointed by George W. Bush) who said that the evidence of his guilt was "overwhelming." Have you not been paying attention, or were you waiting for something more before you make up your mind? If so, what? A confession?

but if an appeals court overturns all that it could still be horribly biased misuse of the Judicial system, right?

[Raggedy Ann Coulter]

Originally posted by fair and balanced
What was even more horrible for our country and our profession was that we had a President, who was also a lawyer, who perjured himself and sought to obstruct justice before a Federal judge. How sad. Hank, do they do teach ethics at Yale?

One could have easily said the same thing about the esteemed junior Senator from New York (nee co-POTUS), except Ken Starr was too much of a pussy to indict her.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
but if an appeals court overturns all that it could still be horribly biased misuse of the Judicial system, right?

Yes. There's a presumption, but it's rebuttable.

I can imagine that S_A_M doesn't like to form a view as to whether anyone convicted of a crime is actually guilty, and that he is merely applying that agnosticism here. But I caught a whiff of Creeping Broderism, and the notion that since you have lefties saying he's guilty and conservatives protesting his innocence, the truth should be somewhere in the middle.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The Ron Paul lunatics are methodically spamming every poll on the internet.

In a way, it's impressive how organized they appear to be.

National Journal's ranking's of the GOP hopefuls, via Wonkette:

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
He was prosecuted by a U.S. Attorney (appointed by George W. Bush), convicted by a jury, and sentenced by a federal judge (also appointed by George W. Bush) who said that the evidence of his guilt was "overwhelming." Have you not been paying attention, or were you waiting for something more before you make up your mind? If so, what? A confession?

(a) I wasn't looking for a debate. just making an observation.

(b) I haven't been waiting for anything more, or looking to make up my mind, because I don't really, honestly care. (So, I guess that counts as not paying attention.)

(c) Those things you said make it more likely that he was guilty than if they had not happened (especially the judge's view). That said, I have enough training and experience with our system not to think that a jury verdict (either way) necessarily has much to do with the truth.

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Yes. There's a presumption, but it's rebuttable.

I can imagine that S_A_M doesn't like to form a view as to whether anyone convicted of a crime is actually guilty, and that he is merely applying that agnosticism here. But I caught a whiff of Creeping Broderism, and the notion that since you have lefties saying he's guilty and conservatives protesting his innocence, the truth should be somewhere in the middle.

(a) No, that's surely not it.

(b) No, that's not it. I truly don't care too much, and I find it sort of odd that people do.

I was happy when it was hurting the Administration, because I like that on general principles, but that said:

While I think lying or otherwise obstructing justice is a bad thing, and has to be punished, I can get much more exercised about any number of "blue collar" crimes than I do about whether or not some well-off middle-age jackass, of whatever political persuasion, lies under oath -- especially in what is, essentially, a political case.

S_A_M

[Replaced_Texan]

Goddamned fucking Phelps family puts me in a position where I actually feel the need to defend their actions. Or at least object to their jailing.

OMAHA, Neb. -- A woman was arrested in Bellevue, Neb., on Tuesday during the funeral for a fallen soldier.

Shirley Phelps-Roper was arrested on suspicion of contributing to the delinquency of a minor for allegedly allowing her 8-year-old son to stomp on an American flag.

Phelps-Roper is a member of a Topeka, Kan., church that conducts anti-homosexual picketing at funeral services for U.S. soldiers.

I hate those people with the passion of a thousand hot firey suns, but...