Discussion of Firms and Life in SF/SV

[Skeks in the city]

Originally posted by Skeks in the city

The minority of lawyers that want to do pro bono want other lawyers to subsidize their desire to help the poor.

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch

So? I'm expected to subsidize the lawyers in my firm who get pregnant or get cancer and don't pull their weight.....
No firm has ever broken up over a struggle between partners who want to do more pro bono work and partners who want to do none.

I was talking about Burger's proposal of subsidizing the lefty baby-lawyers who want to do legal work for lefty causes by giving them a tuition break at the expense of other lawyers. A lot of law schools already have programs like that.

There is friction over pro bono though. Oft times, litigation partners support it, while corporate partners oppose it. Litigation partners oft see it as providing useful training to baby litigators, while corpies believe it's worthless to GAs, and if anything is counterproductive, because it keeps corporate GAs from doing work that actually does provide useful experience.

Wow. Peter's found the photos and has placed them on his site. Geez, no wonder why the entire Arab world is going ballistic.

What were these idiots thinking? White trash or something more sinister?

G @ www.peterthottam.com

[frodo corleone]

I think, sadly, this kind of thing happens a lot in forums filled with men under stress, this is just one of the more extreme expressions of it. Basically, when you're up against it day in and day out, humiliating someone in an inferior position seems to alleviate some of the inherent stress. Frat guys do it to pledges, football teams do it to rookies, cops do it to defendants, gangs do it to initiates. prisoners do it to new fish. There are varying degrees of humiliation, but that's usually a product of one guy in the group being unable to control himself; the rest just get pulled along for the ride. Someone with better psychology credentials than mine will have to weigh in as to why, but I'm guessing it all goes back to the old "lost your testicles? take someone else's!" theory on emasculation.

Now, the people who should be really pissed are all the female G.I.'s out in harm's way; that chick in the photos just made it open season on retaliatory rape and torture by the Iraqi bad guys (and probably some of the really pissed off good guys, too.)

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Skeks in the city
I'm surprised you aren't in favor of Boalt charging market tuition. High tuition deters law students from taking full time jobs to support left-wing causes.

I am in favor of Boalt charging market tuition, but that is a fight not winnable in this state.

It's great how no one wants to pay for the poor to have legal services. Most lawyers don't want to provide the poor legal work. (The pro bono they do, if any, isn't to help the poor it's to do things like prevent garbage dumps and prisons in their neighborhoods.) Taxpayers don't want to pay lawyers to do it. The minority of lawyers that want to give the poor legal work want the public or other lawyers to subsidize their desire to help the poor.

Aren't there like a zillion not for profits providing legal work to the poor? And in addition, doesn't the state fill this need in part as well? Are you suggesting that we force lawyers to do pro bono? Frankly, I think this is a great area for the universities to focus on. Many already do, but they could do more. Why not have the professors running cases/matters with students acting as associates? Is not like the professors don't have time on their hands, and this training would be far more valuable to the associates than most 2nd or 3rd year classes.

I told you to put your canned posts on the most relevant board and not to Spam the rest of the site.

If anyone wants to read this post, it will remain on politics.

RT

[Flinty_McFlint]

I just wanted to get a certain poster off the front page of the site.

[Iniquity]

Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
I just wanted to get a certain poster off the front page of the site.

Look, you. I don't know how many times I've warned you stop with this spamming, but enough is enough. What about the children?

[Alex_de_Large]

Does anyone have any information about working for google? They appear to be on a mad hiring spree, and one can't help but be curious.

thanks,
AdL

[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
Does anyone have any information about working for google? They appear to be on a mad hiring spree, and one can't help but be curious.

thanks,
AdL

Yeah, you're a day late and $10,000,000 dollars short. What's the point to work there now, besides the free meals and massages? That said, they are notoriously picky picky picky.

Good luck!

[Alex_de_Large]

Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
Yeah, you're a day late and $10,000,000 dollars short. What's the point to work there now, besides the free meals and massages? That said, they are notoriously picky picky picky.

Good luck!

Just curious. They have a shitload of job postings, and I was just browsing. What do you mean by picky?

[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
Just curious. They have a shitload of job postings, and I was just browsing. What do you mean by picky?

Like NY or LA biglaw processes. "Top" law schools, top grades, etc. etc.. I don't think the pay is particularly good, and you shouldn't expect very generous stock options or stock grants.

[Alex_de_Large]

Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
Like NY or LA biglaw processes. "Top" law schools, top grades, etc. etc.. I don't think the pay is particularly good, and you shouldn't expect very generous stock options or stock grants.

Thanks, Flinty.

[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
Thanks, Flinty.

Absolutely, and if you get in, maybe you could retrieve my resume from the trash. Thanks.

[c2ed]

Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
Like NY or LA biglaw processes. "Top" law schools, top grades, etc. etc.. I don't think the pay is particularly good, and you shouldn't expect very generous stock options or stock grants.

What he said. To wit, many of those openings have been open now for several months, if not over a year or more, and they have been presented with plenty of people who have the needed experience (note - while I had not applied, numerous friends and colleagues did). They seem to be very concerned about personality fit. And most California companies won't pay for relocation as there are already so many CA attorneys who are looking for work.

C(if I had applied, though, I would have made a kick-ass addition as the goalie on their roller hockey team)deuced

[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by c2ed
What he said. To wit, many of those openings have been open now for several months, if not over a year or more, and they have been presented with plenty of people who have the needed experience (note - while I had not applied, numerous friends and colleagues did). They seem to be very concerned about personality fit. And most California companies won't pay for relocation as there are already so many CA attorneys who are looking for work.

C(if I had applied, though, I would have made a kick-ass addition as the goalie on their roller hockey team)deuced

[Insert weight joke here]