Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Had someone else posted the letter earlier? If so, please excuse this rant. I am about sick and tired of having my posts bypassed with people responding to another's yet making reference to the substance of my posts. It's simply Ty being afraid of me, I know, but still he should be a man. He's raising a son for goodness sakes. He needs to be a better example.

I didn't mean to slight you, Hank. If it makes you feel any better, I'm still waiting for club to explain why Kerry is a "psychopath" for pointing out that when we were attacked, Bush's immediate response was to stay with the kindergarten kids.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
It's simply Ty being afraid of me, I know, but still he should be a man. He's raising a son for goodness sakes. He needs to be a better example.

Wow. And the women should stay at home with their mouths shut and be surrendered wives/daughters?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I didn't mean to slight you, Hank. If it makes you feel any better, I'm still waiting for club to explain why Kerry is a "psychopath" for pointing out that when we were attacked, Bush's immediate response was to stay with the kindergarten kids.

Oh. Allow me to retort.

It shows Kerry has no real sense then of how to handle a crisis. They were planning his route, and what to do, they were fact gathering. He did leave early, he just didn't leave immediately. Kerry, I take it would have been in the lobby waiting for his car? How can this be a point of argument. I backed down on the "hurt the US" quote, my god is there no time when you'll do the same?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Wow. And the women should stay at home with their mouths shut and be surrendered wives/daughters?

I can think of 1 who should.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I can think of 1 who should.

It's tough when they disagree instead of just lying down with their legs spread or kneeling with their mouths open, isn't it, Hank?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
So Kerry's boys have moved on beyond keeping Nader off ballots. now they are threatening TV stations if they run the Swift Boat ads. Fun Perkins Coie letter!

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...unfit_pdf.html

Ty, is this what you are referring to? From the article:

As their first piece of evidence of the ad's supposed lies, the DNC/Kerry lawyers claim that the veterans in the ad "purport to have served on Senator Kerry's SWIFT Boat in Vietnam" but, "in fact, not a single one of the men who pretend to have served with Senator Kerry was actually a crewmate of Senator Kerry's." The problem is that none of these men claimed to have served on Kerry's SWIFT Boat. They simply said they "served with John Kerry" -- and they did.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
It's tough when they disagree instead of just lying down with their legs spread or kneeling with their mouths open, isn't it, Hank?

Me? I'm really backwards, I still think a woman's place is in the cave....

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I didn't mean to slight you, Hank. If it makes you feel any better, I'm still waiting for club to explain why Kerry is a "psychopath" for pointing out that when we were attacked, Bush's immediate response was to stay with the kindergarten kids.

I think you are combining 2 of my posts. I don't think he is a psychopath for this. I think he is a psychopath because he will do or say anything to get elected. I know this is common in politicians on both sides, but he takes it to a level which makes Clinton look like an alterboy.

Did you view the 12 minute ad I posted a couple of days ago? Yes, there is some creative editing in it, but to see how far Kerry has moved and the contortions he goes through to get there is chilling.

I used to think he was a decent guy who, in a worst case scenario, wouldn't be THAT bad as president. I even was considering not voting for Bush, as a protest on the issues on which I disagree with him. But now I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I did that and Kerry ends up winning.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
(2) I'd love to continue the public discourse on this, but Kerry's campaign and the DNC are now threatening to sue every media outlet that runs the ads from this group. Were these strongarm tactics employed by the RNC against ads run for Moore's movie or for MoveOn.org ads? I don't think so...

You can not think so, but that doesn't make it not true.

RNC opens assault on anti-Bush groups - Complaint filed with FEC alleges collusion with Kerry campaign

FEC complaint filed against 'Fahrenheit' ads
(note: Moore complaint was not filed by the RNC, admittedly, but rather by the group Citizens United, whomever that may be.)

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Oh. Allow me to retort.

It shows Kerry has no real sense then of how to handle a crisis. They were planning his route, and what to do, they were fact gathering. He did leave early, he just didn't leave immediately. Kerry, I take it would have been in the lobby waiting for his car? How can this be a point of argument. I backed down on the "hurt the US" quote, my god is there no time when you'll do the same?

You guys read way, way to much into things. It's an attack on Bush. No more, no less. Kerry is saying that Bush should have excused himself from the room to go talk to his people. Whether or not they had the situation under control, he should have been with them when the country was under attack, not reading to children.

Since Bush is making his response to 9/11 the centerpiece of his re-election campaign, Kerry is playing aggressive on that stuff. It doesn't mean that he's a psychopath, or that he "has no real sense of how to handle a crisis." Oy.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
It's not McCain's job to fisk the statements of every yahoo who comes down the pike. He said the ad was "dishonest," but if you don't want to believe it, that's your right as an American. I hope that you anti-Kerry types spend more and more time talking about his record in Vietnam, because it's only going to help Kerry.

We're going to keep talking about it because the lummox won't stop talking about.

It's as if the last 30 years of his life (and especially his last 20 years as a mediocre back-bencher in the Senate) never existed.

STP -- t.s.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I think you are combining 2 of my posts. I don't think he is a psychopath for this. I think he is a psychopath because he will do or say anything to get elected. I know this is common in politicians on both sides, but he takes it to a level which makes Clinton look like an alterboy.

Your comments fit Bush equally well, if not better. It's the White House that pressured Pakistan to announce the capture of Al Qaeda operatives during the Democratic National Convention and then -- lo and behold! -- they did, in press conference while Kerry was about to give his speech. In the middle of the night in Pakistan, so you don't need to wonder whose benefit that was for.

So Kerry is a "psychopath" because he points out that the last president to use the phrase "turn the corner" about a recovery was Herbert Hoover? And likening Bush to Hoover in this way means that he's mentally ill and will do anything to get elected? The funny thing is, the words you're using are the same as words in the English language, but evidently they have different meanings.

Did you view the 12 minute ad I posted a couple of days ago? Yes, there is some creative editing in it, but to see how far Kerry has moved and the contortions he goes through to get there is chilling.

No, I missed some posts recently, so I don't know what you mean. But the "contortions" in Kerry's record that I've seen described are usually more fairly described as anything but when put in context. For example, senators may vote against a bill quite similar to one they support because that's how the procedures work. It's surely no surprise that the Bush folks are trying to use this against Kerry, but one hopes that most voters who are undecided will be smart enough to see through this crap.

I used to think he was a decent guy who, in a worst case scenario, wouldn't be THAT bad as president. I even was considering not voting for Bush, as a protest on the issues on which I disagree with him. But now I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I did that and Kerry ends up winning.

I've never been a big Kerry fan, but I think he'd make a decent president. The job he did on the POW/MIA thing with McCain showed some real leadership skills. But your willingness to swallow your concerns about Bush's policies because you buy all of these attacks on Kerry's character is testament to the way that the GOP wins elections.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Your comments fit Bush equally well, if not better. It's the White House that pressured Pakistan to announce the capture of Al Qaeda operatives during the Democratic National Convention and then -- lo and behold! -- they did, in press conference while Kerry was about to give his speech. In the middle of the night in Pakistan, so you don't need to wonder whose benefit that was for.

So Kerry is a "psychopath" because he points out that the last president to use the phrase "turn the corner" about a recovery was Herbert Hoover? And likening Bush to Hoover in this way means that he's mentally ill and will do anything to get elected? The funny thing is, the words you're using are the same as words in the English language, but evidently they have different meanings.



No, I missed some posts recently, so I don't know what you mean. But the "contortions" in Kerry's record that I've seen described are usually more fairly described as anything but when put in context. For example, senators may vote against a bill quite similar to one they support because that's how the procedures work. It's surely no surprise that the Bush folks are trying to use this against Kerry, but one hopes that most voters who are undecided will be smart enough to see through this crap.

Watch the movie when you get a chance. I see Kerry as a guy who has been setting up this run all his life. Now this doesn't distinguish him from many pols, but he has absolutely no backbone. War service is popular? I'll join, and while I'm at it, I'll take some film. Who knows, it may come in handy. Wait, war service is not popular? I'll be a hippy protestor and throw and invent "facts" to bolster my case. The Iraq war? I better vote for it because if I don't it will be used against me when I run in 2004. Wait, the war is unpopular with my base and this Dean guy may actually win? I'll vote against the 87 million.

But your willingness to swallow your concerns about Bush's policies because you buy all of these attacks on Kerry's character is testament to the way that the GOP wins elections.

Please, give me more credit than that. I have many concerns about Kerry other than his charater. Taxes, free trade, and foreign policy are much higher on the list. Now I don't agree with Bush's budgets, nor on his FCC stance, nor on his gay marriage stance. But the alternative is just not a possibility in this election.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
But your willingness to swallow your concerns about Bush's policies because you buy all of these attacks on Kerry's character is testament to the way that the GOP wins elections.

Two words: Confirmation Bias.

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