Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Bennett's drunk again. Get him to a casino, and fast. he's going through slots withdrawal.

Shit. There goes the money for rent Ironweed fronted him.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
remember they lie all the time

indeed

[Tyrone Slothrop]

....but little did Cpt. Katrina Lewison realize that her Purple Heart would someday preclude her from becoming President of the United States.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
If I recall correctly, Newsom argued that the proposition was unconstitutional under the State Constitution, and at least one court has subsequently agreed with him on that point. Bennet is arguing that Bush should go in, guns a blazing under some sort of "natural" law. In my mind that's slightly different.

He married couples before the case was decided.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sgtclub
He married couples before the case was decided.

And?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by sgtclub
He married couples before the case was decided.

I understand that, but I still think it's slightly different rationale. At least he was looking at state law, not some superceding natural law.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I understand that, but I still think it's slightly different rationale. At least he was looking at state law, not some superceding natural law.

Newsome thought there was a constitutional problem. Bennet said explicitly that Bush saw a constitutional problem. They both thought they were also serving their own moral precepts. Where's the meaningful difference?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
....but little did Cpt. Katrina Lewison realize that her Purple Heart would someday preclude her from becoming President of the United States.

I think you have it backwards. She was upfront about it.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I understand that, but I still think it's slightly different rationale. At least he was looking at state law, not some superceding natural law.

They are the same. Both looked at the law and decided they didn't like it, so they acted outside of it. I'm with Ty - process is very important.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by bilmore
Newsome thought there was a constitutional problem. Bennet said explicitly that Bush saw a constitutional problem. They both thought they were also serving their own moral precepts. Where's the meaningful difference?

The words "natural law."

I didn't say that Newsome was right. I just thought the rationale was slightly different.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by sgtclub
They are the same. Both looked at the law and decided they didn't like it, so they acted outside of it. I'm with Ty - process is very important.

Why are you giving Ty props. I've been the one arguing process (or Procedure, as Bilmore would have it) all along.

I'm miffed.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Why are you giving Ty props. I've been the one arguing process (or Procedure, as Bilmore would have it) all along.

I'm miffed.

I wasn't limiting it to this case. I'm recalling the debate we had here on the Newsom case. If you are a process guy too, I'm happy to give you props.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
They are the same. Both looked at the law and decided they didn't like it, so they acted outside of it.

I think there's a difference between, on the one hand, Bennett and MLK, and, on the other, Gavin Newsome, Jeb Bush and Orval Faubus. Civil disobediance is more likely appropriate when engaged in by people not in power. MLK and Bennett can go get themselves arrested because that's all they can do -- they have no official power. (Bennett is odious because you can rest assured that while he'll write that Bush should disobey the law, you can be sure that Bennett won't get off his ass to do it -- he'll be too busy telling whoever ghostwrites the Virtues line of books to write faster.) Jeb Bush and Orval Faubus are the executives of sovereign states, so they are exactly the wrong people to engage in any kind of civil disobediance. They embody state power, so the pose of acting against it rubs the wrong way. With Gavin Newsome, it wasn't so bad, because he wasn't the supreme official, and he openly acknowledged the authority of the state courts to tell him to stop.

[Free Terri!]

Greeting death mongers! I imagine that you must be celebrating a premature “victory” on this tragic day in our once great nation’s history. The activist liberal judiciary seems close to its goal of state sanctioned thus cementing the left and its democrat party as beacons of death and moral degeneracy. Still, I remain faithful that the true spirit of hope and patriotism of the American people will prevail and its wrath will be turned on the democrat party and its accomplices in the liberal judiciary.

The death sentences to the children at WACO, Elian and now the poor innocent brain damaged Schiavo will not sit without uprising. The nation is being forced to face the demon menace of the leftwinger cultists, and I predict that this day will resonate in the democrat party beING utterly destroyed in 2006 as tens of millions of God-loving and fearing Christians and Jews and other faithful turn their vengeance on at the polls.

Celebrate death now because your doomsday is approaching rapidly.

And yet, as grim as it looks, there is one last gasp of hope for life. JEB. Certainly this is the defining moment in his political evolution. A bold act, in defiance of the deathwhore Greer, to send in the Guard or the state police and take protective custody of this helpless young girl would certainly result in President Jeb come 2008. Pray for him to have the strength to fulfill a glorious vision.

It would be sweet vindication during this holiest weekend for robbing Elian of his freedom, like Reno’s raid in reverse. I can picture it coming in the middle of the night tonight as a SWAT team descends on the hospice in a convoy of Hummers and Ambulances with a team of Florida Guardsmen, triage doctors and nurses who can immediately administer saline and liquid nourishment to Terri while spiriting her off to safe haven. As the convoy heads out while Felos and Mike Schiavo are maced in the face as they try to interfere with justice. FREEDOM. Amen.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Free Terri!

Where do you find this stuff?