Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Hmmn. Hot dogs.

Okay so could someone clear some things up here. On the phone with press, Rove is making a point that a CIA officer claiming X, Y and Z didn't go on a particular mission related to X, Y and Z at the behest of the Pres., but rather, at the direction of his wife, in an attempt to explain to the reporter how comments made about X, Y and Z should be taken in context. Reporter, is a press guy that is in-the-know, or at least his employer is and knows wife is a CIA agent and knows her name. We on the other hand being the ignorant public (excepting Slave of course who likes to eat at Nathans, NTTAWWT, and stalk Plame and hubby for a special signature on Slave's copy of Plame hubby's book) don't know shit about these people and a dude named Robert Novak announces to the free world, terrorists and all, that Plame is an undercover spy and blames Rove for outing her b/c of the discussion Rove had with a Washington Reporter.

Okay. Just checking.

When Rove said that he went at the "direction" of his wife, or something to that effect, he was misleading the reporter. See here. The only support you'll find for the notion that Plame had the authority to send Wilson anywhere is in GOP talking points.

Also, dunno why you think Cooper already knew who Plame was.

Plame didn't blame Rove. Novak said he was told who she was by two administration officials, and we didn't know whom they were until Cooper fingered Rove. There is at least one more person involved in the leaking, and maybe more (if Rove didn't call Novak).

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Sidney "Hatchet Man" Blumenthal? Dude, he's slimier than Rove and DeLay put together

Dude, whatever your horse is in this race, you have to admit, the White House Press Corps, and Divid Gregory in particular, is basically prison raping Scott McClellan every day. Where's Ari? That doughboy they have up there is a goddamned pin cushion. He looks like he's got a mouthful of marbles and a huge dump in his pants. They have to give him the hook.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Hmmn. Hot dogs.

Okay so could someone clear some things up here. On the phone with press, Rove is making a point that a CIA officer claiming X, Y and Z didn't go on a particular mission related to X, Y and Z at the behest of the Pres., but rather, at the direction of his wife, in an attempt to explain to the reporter how comments made about X, Y and Z should be taken in context. Reporter, is a press guy that is in-the-know, or at least his employer is and knows wife is a CIA agent and knows her name. We on the other hand being the ignorant public (excepting Slave of course who likes to eat at Nathans, NTTAWWT, and stalk Plame and hubby for a special signature on Slave's copy of Plame hubby's book) don't know shit about these people and a dude named Robert Novak announces to the free world, terrorists and all, that Plame is an undercover spy and blames Rove for outing her b/c of the discussion Rove had with a Washington Reporter.

Okay. Just checking.

You really haven't been following this, have you?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
When Rove said that he went at the "direction" of his wife, or something to that effect, he was misleading the reporter. See here. The only support you'll find for the notion that Plame had the authority to send Wilson anywhere is in GOP talking points.

Also, dunno why you think Cooper already knew who Plame was.

Plame didn't blame Rove. Novak said he was told who she was by two administration officials, and we didn't know whom they were until Cooper fingered Rove. There is at least one more person involved in the leaking, and maybe more (if Rove didn't call Novak).

Ty... Her ya go again, fighting about facts. Fuck the facts. The GOP's been fucking the Dems in every orifice for five years now by avoiding the facts and just pounding home blunt messages. Who gives a fart what Wilson knew/didn't know. The onlt fact that matters here is that Karl Rove is a dirty filthy scumbag who just got caught lying his way around a statute. bask in the moment and let the other side parse facts. Let them play the learned, well read debater here. You've already got the win. By arguing facts, about Wilson no less, you're giving up the high ground. Stay on message and keep it simple. Karl Rove did some dirty dirtyshit for meanpsirited political reasons, and now he's got his tit in the ringer, politically. That is all you need to say. Its irrefutable.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Divid Gregory in particular, is basically......a huge dump

W already cleaned that little intercontinentalist's clock once. He had better stfu or he'll feel Bush's wrath again.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Ty... Her ya go again, fighting about facts. Fuck the facts..

Speaking of facts, below is a factual quote from Ted Kennedy about the judicial nomination process. I can't wait to see our side, the Right side, shove that down his fat fucking pie hole. You can have Rove, we will win where it counts.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Dude, whatever your horse is in this race, you have to admit, the White House Press Corps, and Divid Gregory in particular, is basically prison raping Scott McClellan every day. Where's Ari? That doughboy they have up there is a goddamned pin cushion. He looks like he's got a mouthful of marbles and a huge dump in his pants. They have to give him the hook.

Just giving him the truth would help him answer questions like "was Rove involved?" truthfully, thereby avoiding much embarrassment.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
W already cleaned that little intercontinentalist's clock once. He had better stfu or he'll feel Bush's wrath again.

There are a lot of good reasons to hate a person... but his choice of hotel?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Ty... Her ya go again, fighting about facts. Fuck the facts. The GOP's been fucking the Dems in every orifice for five years now by avoiding the facts and just pounding home blunt messages. Who gives a fart what Wilson knew/didn't know. The onlt fact that matters here is that Karl Rove is a dirty filthy scumbag who just got caught lying his way around a statute. bask in the moment and let the other side parse facts. Let them play the learned, well read debater here. You've already got the win. By arguing facts, about Wilson no less, you're giving up the high ground. Stay on message and keep it simple. Karl Rove did some dirty dirtyshit for meanpsirited political reasons, and now he's got his tit in the ringer, politically. That is all you need to say. Its irrefutable.

You've got my proxy on the irrefutable shit, then.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Speaking of facts, below is a factual quote from Ted Kennedy about the judicial nomination process.

You have a problem understanding the phrase "large numbers," don't you? It's not synonymous with "any".

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
When Rove said that he went at the "direction" of his wife, or something to that effect, he was misleading the reporter. See here. The only support you'll find for the notion that Plame had the authority to send Wilson anywhere is in GOP talking points.

Also, dunno why you think Cooper already knew who Plame was.

Plame didn't blame Rove. Novak said he was told who she was by two administration officials, and we didn't know whom they were until Cooper fingered Rove. There is at least one more person involved in the leaking, and maybe more (if Rove didn't call Novak).

Not saying Plame is blaming Rove. Whatever. I'm just wondering why any newspaper would ever disclose Plame's name and her occupation -- forget about who told the paper itself. Unconscionable.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Just giving him the truth would help him answer questions like "was Rove involved?" truthfully, thereby avoiding much embarrassment.

The public spin is already that Rove did something barely legal and very lecherous. You need do nothing else but spin that message all goddamned day, in every media outlet available. After Bush announces his nominee to the SC (which will be a huge media event pushed by the White House to overshadow the Rove debacle), you need to then shift the message to “Mr. President, nice nominee, but, are you going to fire Karl?” The press needs to keep asking that question, like annoying assholes. This will infuriate W and lead to some fantastic soundbites. It will also fuck up the Admin’s focus on the nominee issue, so that if they nominate a Jesus Nut to fill Rehnquist’s seat, we’ll be able to smear the nominee senseless with little brushback because the WH will be too busy fighting about the Karl Rove Debacle.

There’s a chink in the armor. The Dems had better blow this fucker open.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You have a problem understanding the phrase "large numbers," don't you? It's not synonymous with "any".

We shall see. If Bush ends up with 3 nominees (as rumours I am hearing indicate he will) by Labour Day, that is, to my assessment, a "large number" of Supreme Court nominees to have at one time.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You've got my proxy on the irrefutable shit, then.

Here's something refutable to ponder. What if the definition of "covert agent" in question isn't 50 USC § 426(4)(a) but 50 USC § 426(4)(b)(ii)?

(4) The term “covert agent” means—

The first definition:

• (A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency—
  (i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and
  (ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or

vs.

the second definition

• (B) a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and—
  (i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or
  (ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or

The Blumenthal piece that Ty cited and Slave dismissed had the following passage in it:

• On July 30, the CIA referred a "crime report" to the Justice Department. "If she was not undercover, we would not have a reason to file a criminal referral," a CIA official said. On Dec. 30, the Justice Department appointed Patrick Fitzgerald, U.S. attorney for northern Illinois, as the special prosecutor.

Makes the five years part of the statute that everyone's been talking about irrelevant.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Not saying Plame is blaming Rove. Whatever. I'm just wondering why any newspaper would ever disclose Plame's name and her occupation -- forget about who told the paper itself. Unconscionable.

What's unconscionable is Karl Rove outing a govt operative as part of a political vendetta and lying to the press about his involvement in the leak. And whats worse is the President backpeddling on his promise to fire the leak. This admin is acting like Clinton! Liars all!

See Ty... easy as pie. Rinse, Repeat 10,000x until Karl is on K Street.