Making Baby Jesus Cry - Page 27

dtb · 08-01-2005, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
The Spanky Grand Unified Theory of Human Rights, Free Markets and Regime Change is becoming clearer, but I do have an additional question here.

And once Castro's head is flung into the cheering throngs, what shall we do with the country itself? Is it a safe assumption that we'll be welcomed with open arms by the Cuban people?

Gattigap

Not just open arms, candy, flowers and chocolate, too, I'm pretty sure.

dtb · 08-01-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
We may have to wait for things to calm down in Iraq a little bit.

I think Cubans will take to democracy like most other post soviet satelites have. They have been democratic before so I don't think free elections will be that controversial over there. Castro is in power mainly because the people have so few resources and the government has all of them. I think we could moniter the elections and then leave. Call me naive, but that is what I believe.

Where in the world do you get your information!?!

The government does have the resources -- but it doesn't have many of them. It's a poor country. They have no petrol, they have no means of production, they have nothing but tourism. Even the "well off" in Cuba aren't living like Russian mafiosos or anything close to it.

Have you ever been to Cuba? Do you know anyone who has been to Cuba since 1960?

ltl/fb · 08-01-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by dtb
Not just open arms, candy, flowers and chocolate, too, I'm pretty sure.

Is there good chocolate in Cuba? Because if we are getting greeted with chocolate, I may go for this.

Shape Shifter · 08-01-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by dtb
Not just open arms, candy, flowers and chocolate, too, I'm pretty sure.

Where are the bastards hiding the cigars? Don't tell me the Mobile Rolling Factories slipped into Syria, also.

Spanky · 08-01-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
So now I get a Guatamalan pullover for $8.50 rather than $9.00? Woo hoo!

What about the Guatemalan worker who will not get tfive dollars a day instead of a dollar a day?

Spanky · 08-01-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Poll the business community. I think have a lot of trade or something with Europe.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY INTEREST. We also trade with the entire world - or have you forgotten that. If we are going to get involved militarily everytime our economic interests are involved there isn't a gun fight in the world where we won't have to intervene.

Spanky · 08-01-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
How about any number of African nations?

If you read what I said, our intervention has to be able to help. I am not sure that applies to many African nations. Although I know it did apply to Rwanda.

Shape Shifter · 08-01-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
What about the Guatemalan worker who will not get tfive dollars a day instead of a dollar a day?

Yes, exactly. Is there a typo in there?

Spanky · 08-01-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by dtb
Where in the world do you get your information!?!

The government does have the resources -- but it doesn't have many of them. It's a poor country. They have no petrol, they have no means of production, they have nothing but tourism. Even the "well off" in Cuba aren't living like Russian mafiosos or anything close to it.

Have you ever been to Cuba? Do you know anyone who has been to Cuba since 1960?

The reading comprehension in this group is pathetic. I said "the people have no resources and the government has all of them." Although I have been to Cuba, you don't need to have gone there to know that that statement is a fact. The government may not have a lot of resources compared to other governments, but in Cuba it controls all the resources. That is what matters. It is hard to start an insurgency or even an opposition when the government controls all the resources in a nation. The government decides who gets to eat. It is very hard to oppose a government when they control the entire means of production.

Shape Shifter · 08-01-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY INTEREST. We also trade with the entire world - or have you forgotten that. If we are going to get involved militarily everytime our economic interests are involved there isn't a gun fight in the world where we won't have to intervene.

True. We'd better not head down that slipper . . . oops, line of thinking. Same argument applies to your human rights rationale.

nononono · 08-01-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
If you read what I said, our interention has to be able to help. I am not sure that applies to many African nations. Although I know it did apply to Rwanda.

Yes, I read what you said and asked the question with Rwanda in mind. Though I am not sure what distinguishes Rwanda from other Arfican countries in terms of how much our efforts would help.

Not Bob · 08-01-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
The reading comprehension in this group is pathetic.

Tell me about it.

Spanky · 08-01-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Yes, exactly. Is there a typo in there?

Do you disagree that CAFTA will raise the income of the average worker in the CAFTA area?

Hank Chinaski · 08-01-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
The reading comprehension in this group is pathetic. I said "the people have no resources and the government has all of them." Although I have been to Cuba, you don't need to have gone there to know that that statement is a fact. The government may not have a lot of resources compared to other governments, but in Cuba it controls all the resources. That is what matters. It is hard to start an insurgency or even an opposition when the government controls all the resources in a nation. The government decides who gets to eat. It is very hard to oppose a government when they control the entire means of production.

Don't be bothered by dtb. she is all about grammar and typos, and nothing else (except underwear tightness but that doesn't transmit over the internet).

You should go to the Spanky board and not spend so much time locked here. IMHO

Shape Shifter · 08-01-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Do you disagree that CAFTA will raise the income of the average worker in the CAFTA area?

I don't have an opinion on that. I think it will certainly have a depressive effect on wages of American workers, the constituency to whom our government should be most responsive. I'm sure it will probably create jobs in the Central American signatories, having an inflationary impact on wages there. Whether there is a net gain when you compare the loss in American wages vs. the increase in Central American wages, I'm not sure.