Making Baby Jesus Cry - Page 87

ltl/fb · 08-12-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Since you're new I'll give you a bit more slack. We NEVER engage the internet trolls and you keep engaging the worst- if we all ignore this Ty sock it'll go away, but you responding to it keeps it here and it creeps most of us out.

Hank, you realize it's a tossup whether you or penske is the bigger troll, yes? I would have to check the hair to make a final determination.

taxwonk · 08-12-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Under my plan everyone has health insurance (if you drive it is provided by private insurance, if you don't drive it is still provided by private insurance but the government pays for it, and if no private plan covers you, you get government insurance). So no one gets wacked with a big ER bill. And people that avoid going to the doctor because they can't pay for it will now go because they have insurance.

So where is the problem?

Well, actually, I have insurance. The $5000 bill wasn't the full charge. That was the amount that my insurance company didn't cover because the ER physician isn't in my network. I suppose if I have another heart attack, I would be better off dying while I call around looking for an ER physician that is in my network before decding what hospital to go to.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-12-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Under my plan everyone has health insurance (if you drive it is provided by private insurance, if you don't drive it is still provided by private insurance but the government pays for it, and if no private plan covers you, you get government insurance). So no one gets wacked with a big ER bill. And people that avoid going to the doctor because they can't pay for it will now go because they have insurance.

So where is the problem?

If I understand correctly, you are proposing that the government provide a certain minimum level of insurance, and that it try to use market mechanisms to keep the price of that down. People can then buy more insurance on top of that. That much sounds basically good to me. I don't really see the value of the driver's license angle to it. Rather than using a coercive mechanism, and have to worry about enforcement, I'd rather see it provided to everyone, and have the government do something like divide people into pools and have private parties bid to provide coverage to each.

Hank Chinaski · 08-12-2005, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Hank, you realize it's a tossup whether you or penske is the bigger troll, yes? I would have to check the hair to make a final determination.

Its Penske. We're both trolls here, but I'm substantive on FB while Penske is a troll there also.

And PS Idon't think our non-responsive attempts to bring a different slant to the political debate is any more troll-like that when you guys start posting your 100 posts on tax or HC or Cafta or whatever.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-12-2005, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm in a position where I am somewhat managerial. Much of my day is spent listening to younger lawyers explain things and then agreeing or focusing their proposed course of action. I also spend a good deal of time client hand holding. I do work, but only about half the time. When I'm on vacation much of the managerial stuff continues.

A president would have all his office time be the managerial type. People would come explain stuff then he'd decide things. Why can't he do that in Texas? I bet the main difference is that he can go outside in Texas.

See Ty, your vacations aren't necessarially what a President or a sucessful lawyer experiences.

I didn't say that a President has to be a hard worker to get good results. I just said that whoever (Penske?) was calling W. a hard-worker should stop drinking the Kool-Ade and buy a clue.

taxwonk · 08-12-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
You don[t force people to get any old insurance. Obviously, you force people to get plans that cover Emergency situations. Wonk got screwed by the small print. And just further evidence the current system sucks and needs to be changed to mine.

My plan covers emergency situations. I didn't get a big bill from the hospital. See, Spanky, the doctors are not employed by the hospital, they'r private contractors and can charge what they want and decide on their own whether or not to opt into insurance networks. ER docs generally don't opt in to the insurance networks, because the demand for their serveces is completely inelastic. They don't have to settle for a negotitated fee with an insurer because when you need to go to the ER, you go. You aren't in a position to bargain for a fair price.

I like analogizing it to the guy who has the only gas station in the desert. He charges what he likes, because where the fuck else are you going to buy gas?

Hank Chinaski · 08-12-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I didn't say that a President has to be a hard worker to get good results. I just said that whoever (Penske?) was calling W. a hard-worker should stop drinking the Kool-Ade and buy a clue.

Define "hard work." I read nfh posts are your drivel becuase it helps my brain relax after making extremely hard thought out decisions a half hour ago. I work hard even though I run each work day and post lots.

Is Bush delegating stuff he shouldn't? i she neglecting things he should be doing?

And don't tie me to Penske. He's a troll.

ltl/fb · 08-12-2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Its Penske. We're both trolls here, but I'm substantive on FB while Penske is a troll there also.

And PS Idon't think our non-responsive attempts to bring a different slant to the political debate is any more troll-like that when you guys start posting your 100 posts on tax or HC or Cafta or whatever.

The tax posts and HC are not non-responsive, which is what makes them different. It scares me that you can't see this.

Gattigap · 08-12-2005, 05:44 PM

As Clinton begat a president pledging "the return of honor and dignity to the Oval Office." Similarly, the Bush Administration has treated us to over 5 years of dropped "g"s and more Bible School classes inside the West Wing than in a seminary. Some Americans find themselves thirsting for a new, fresh personality. A new strangeness.

I give you Christopher Walken in 2008. For the prescription to our fever.

Spanky · 08-12-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If I understand correctly, you are proposing that the government provide a certain minimum level of insurance, and that it try to use market mechanisms to keep the price of that down. People can then buy more insurance on top of that. That much sounds basically good to me. I don't really see the value of the driver's license angle to it. Rather than using a coercive mechanism, and have to worry about enforcement, I'd rather see it provided to everyone, and have the government do something like divide people into pools and have private parties bid to provide coverage to each.

If the government pays for everyone there is no incentive to keep prices down. For everyone that has their health insurance premiums paid by the government won't care what price is paid for the premiums. You need a bunch of people shopping for the best health care plan they can get (the licensed driver). If the government is the only purchaser then they will start buying $5,000 wrenches and buy the health insurance plan from the company that donates the most to their campaign.

Hank Chinaski · 08-12-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
The tax posts and HC are not non-responsive, which is what makes them different. It scares me that you can't see this.

non-responsive to whom? An objective reader? Sorry you all bore shit out of an objective reader. Then the subjective interests of the people who read and respond? okay but that means that Penske and I as a team can justify each others posts by responding to each other. QED

Hank Chinaski
'88 Law '91

98-7

ltl/fb · 08-12-2005, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
non-responsive to whom? An objective reader? Sorry you all bore shit out of an objective reader. Then the subjective interests of the people who read and respond? okay but that means that Penske and I as a team can justify each others posts by responding to each other. QED

Hank Chinaski
'88 Law '91

98-7

You admitted to being non-responsive, and we are discussing something. the local JC had a pre-law course? schmancy.

Spanky · 08-12-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
My plan covers emergency situations. I didn't get a big bill from the hospital. See, Spanky, the doctors are not employed by the hospital, they'r private contractors and can charge what they want and decide on their own whether or not to opt into insurance networks. ER docs generally don't opt in to the insurance networks, because the demand for their serveces is completely inelastic. They don't have to settle for a negotitated fee with an insurer because when you need to go to the ER, you go. You aren't in a position to bargain for a fair price.

I like analogizing it to the guy who has the only gas station in the desert. He charges what he likes, because where the fuck else are you going to buy gas?

For the plan to work, insurance companys will have to provide for emergency care. Then it will be in the insurance companys pecuniary interest to make sure that there are doctors at every ER covered by the plan. ER docs will only have two options. Be on the plans or dont' get paid. Every plan will cover all emergency situations, and non emergency situations you have to use the plans doctors. If you want your own doctors you pay may more. But there wills simply be no such thing as emergecy care paid for by individuals. So emergency physicians won't have that option. Actually the exception is if you make over a $100,000 a year and you don't have adequate insurance you are taken out back and shot. So I case under my plan you would have been taken out back and shot.

Hank Chinaski · 08-12-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
You admitted to being non-responsive, and we are discussing something. the local JC had a pre-law course? schmancy.

I just hope the lit group doesn't find out the Copy company can do Bates stamping now with the copying- I'll be down to part time if that shit happens

ltl/fb · 08-12-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I just hope the lit group doesn't find out the Copy company can do Bates stamping now with the copying- I'll be down to part time if that shit happens

Thinking that "boring" and "non-responsive" are synonymous was the tipoff. For future reference.