Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
She was in Iraq? Cite, please.

Can you prove that she wasn't?

eta: Do you mean before or after Saddam Hussein was deposed?

S_A_M

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan

The administration wants to do the same goddamned thing here, except our constitution gets in the way.

Not the constitution. Unelected and unaccountable activist judges.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Can you prove that she wasn't?

eta: Do you mean before or after Saddam Hussein was deposed?

S_A_M

Are you saying Sheehan "deposed" SH? Not even Penske has stooped so low. Whose side are you on?

[SlaveNoMore]

sebastian_dangerfield
Where do you get off judging? You're in bed with a cabal of people who believe Genesis really happened.

Only the Phil Collins era, anyway.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Only the Phil Collins era, anyway.

I refuse to believe Land of Confusion actually occurred.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I refuse to believe Land of Confusion actually occurred.

The puppets were a cool idea - well, they were at the time.

[SlaveNoMore]

sebastian_dangerfield
I refuse to believe Land of Confusion actually occurred.

As I recall, your avatar alter-ego* felt differently:

I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece...Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole..."

* I almost forgot that Patrick Bateman was one of MY alter-egos on the Infirm board

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
As I recall, your avatar alter-ego* felt differently:

* I almost forgot that Patrick Bateman was one of MY alter-egos on the Infirm board

Oh, God. Thats right... Huey Lewis and Genesis. Wasn't Whitney Houston in there also?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
The puppets were a cool idea - well, they were at the time.

I guess they beat Sussudio.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I guess they beat Sussudio.

tritritrifectio!

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Shit, you're right! Better call Zogby, Harris, Nielsen, and the rest and tell them to pack it in.

Wait -- they might respond that the opinions of multiple persons, in the aggregate, may well matter. They might also argue that, in a country of close to 300 million people, damn few opinions are held by a total of one person.

Anyhow, Spanky --

In a way its nice to see that you're growing a sack nowadays (you were just too nice at first). However, I though YOU were smarter than that.

S_A_M

????????? What the hell are you talking about? I just said that polls were useful and so where focus groups. Then why is that a a recommendation for them to pack it all in?

These guys use statistics to try and determnine what the overall public is thinking. In case you forgot your statistics they need more than one opinion in their sample. An opinion of one person without any other information is about as useful as a solar panel in Portland.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by baltassoc
Why don't you go back and read my entire post (it wasn't that long) and see if this was really my point?

Individuals matter. They should matter. I reject you hypothesis that people should matter less than polls and focus groups.

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I never said that individuals don't matter. I said that when Bush is trying to determine what public opinion is, or how the public is thinking, information about one opinion does not help.

My original statement was:
"I thought you were smarter than this. Why would the opinion of one person in a country of close to 300 million people matter politically to W (even if she is a swing voter)."

In this country you could find a person with a certain opinion on every issue. If I talk to a swing voter and they say that Bush should have Santa Barbar painted purple, should I report that to the White House as if it has some political significance?

No - unless I conduct some sort of poll or focus group about painting Santa Barbara purple and on voting patterns concerning that issue that information is useless. The average person's opinion in this country only matters to a politicians political strategy if other people hold that same opinion.

Again, I am stating the obvious, and people continue to argue with me.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I refuse to believe Land of Confusion actually occurred.

Here goes my cred, but I thought Abacab was okay.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Speaking of Iraq, I don't know why I'm so upset that we liberated a country to set up a quasi-theocracy, but it bugs me nonetheless. I should have known that this would happen, though. The administration wants to do the same goddamned thing here, except our constitution gets in the way.

It is statments like these that I find baffling. A complaint without a point is about as useful as pissing into the wind.

Every policy decision has negative and positive consequences. The decision that is chosen should beone where the positives outweigh the negatives.

Do you think the Bush administratio likes the fact that the Iraqi constitution is quasi-theocratic?

So what do we do, override the democratically elected assebly? Hand them a constitution?

Do you think Iraq would be better of with Saddam in power? If you think Iraq would be better off with Saddam in power then say it.

Unless you have some idea of what policy should be implemented that will make the overall situation better, what is the point of pointing out the negative aspects, as if we were not already aware of it.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
the Bush administratio

Is this anything like fellatio?