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dtb · 10-02-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by spookyfish
Chicago 4

Indians 3

One game left. One game behind the Red Sox in the Wild Card chase.

I will be rooting for the Yankees tomorrow. The motherfucking New York Yankees.

I think I am going to be sick.

That's ok -- we don't need your stinking rooting.

One question, though -- how is that the NYY clinched the division yesterday? If Boston wins today, aren't they tied? They must have explained this on TV, but I wasn't listening.

This may be a STP situation, but, meh.

dtb · 10-02-2005, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by spookyfish
I'll type more slowly.

If the Red Sox win tomorrow, they will have an identical record to the Yankees, which would mean there was a tie.

Major League Baseball has these things called tie-breakers, in case of just such an eventuality between teams in the same division.

The first tie breaker is the "head-to-head" record.

After looking it up, counting tomorrow's game, the Yankees and Red Sox will have played each other 19 times.

With New York's win today, they have won 10 games against the Red Sox this season.

Even if the Red Sox win tomorrow, they will have no more than 9 wins against the Yankees this year.

So, even if we were to assume the Sox win tomorrow, the Yankees win the tie breaker with a record of 10-9 in head-to-head meetings, so they clinched the division today.

Got it now?

You, sir, are a peach.

I can't believe the NYY have a better w-l record against the Red Sox -- it seems as though the NYY were constantly losing to the RS. I'm glad I misremembered.

Penske_Account · 10-02-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by paigowprincess
I have a better question. And it seems so obvious that it is almost a softball, no pun, if questiosn could be softballs. Is the term "whiff" descended from "whiffleball"? I seem to remember all the air in those things making it sort of easy to swing and miss at . Sort of like if Less were difficult to flame.

Penske, do you get high? Bc I think I would liike to smoke a joint with you aroud now. My ass huts.

I have. And may yet again. Maybe not today, but someday soon.

Penske_Account · 10-02-2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
By my unofficial count Arnie, you're about 3.2K in the hole.

You offering picks is like Fringey suggesting a salad

Dissent, it's like Fringey suggesting a lean cuisine.

spookyfish · 10-02-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by paigowprincess
That I get. Why you included the Cleveland loss in your analysis of it being part of why the Yanks clinched today is beyond me and the source of my confusion.

btw, you know what is painful besides beng condescended to by spookydouche? Pulling your glute. Which is your ass muscle. You think it would be strong bc of all the fat it carries all the time. I cant freaking walk.

I can tell you exactly why I included the Cleveland loss in the analysis of why the Yankees clinched today. It's because you framed your question for shit. I quote:

"This is wrong, right? The Yanks did not clinch, they just cemented the Red Sox not being able to clinch without a playoff. The Yanks, if they lose tomorrow (hahahaha) would then have not clinched and have to go to playoffs. Tell me Yahoo fucked up plase"

This is the part of the question where you fucked up. The Yankees and the Red Sox, even assuming all three teams wound up with identical records, would not play each other in a playoff. The tie-breaker would determine the champion of the Eastern Division. The only way the Yankees might play a one-game playoff with anybody is if they had lost yesterday and today to the Red Sox.

And this is rich, coming from perhaps the most condescending individual on the board (the Snidely sock notwithstanding.) Only most of the time, I'm not under the impression that you are joking.

Hank Chinaski · 10-02-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Dissent, it's like Fringey suggesting a lean cuisine.

That would mean that str8 doesn't make those bets- i.e. equal to something Fringey wouldn't order. And I should note that I'm only buying into the "fringey is overweight" conceit for the limited purpose of this analysis.

Slave's point was that str8's picks are of little value since Slave believes str8 picks tends to be wrong.

That would be more like Fringey giving you the diet book she bought last February to get ready for bikini season.

spookyfish · 10-02-2005, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by str8outavannuys
Amazingly, with all these posts, nobody has answered Paigow's question of why the Cleveland game affected the Yankees "clinching," as Cleveland's in a different division.

The answer is that if a division ends up in a tie, and IF BOTH TEAMS ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS, then they play a one-game playoff to see who wins the division. But if a division is a tie and both teams are in the playoffs, they go to the head-to-head tiebreaker to see who gets the (pretty meaningless) "division title") instead of playing another game.

Cleveland losing today meant that if there was a tie, both the Yankees and Red Sox would make the playoffs, thus guaranteeing the Yankees the division title (because of the head-to-head record). If the Indians had won today and tomorrow, and the Yanks and Sox had split today and tomorrow, then all three would finish with the same record, thus requiring a Yanks-Red Sox division title playoff game, followed by loser-vs-Cleveland game for the wildcard.

This analysis makes absolutely no sense for two teams in the same division. There is no scenario possible in which both teams would not automatically be in the playoffs. One team in the division has to be in the playoffs -- the Division Champion. This would be determined by the tie-breaker, as I explained before. Because the teams within the division match up against each other 19 times, there necessarily has to be a division winner on the tie-breaker. Two teams in the same division cannot tie for a division championship when they play an odd number of games head-to-head, regardless of whether they have the same overall winning record for the season. This is why you always have one series between teams within the same division which has four games rather than the standard three, and therein lies the genius of the unbalanced schedule.

Based on the above, your second paragraph is just not accurate. The Yankees, by winning yesterday, won the tie-breaker in their division based upon head-to-head record, even if they lose today. Had the Red Sox won yesterday and the Yankees won today, the Red Sox would have won the season series 10-9. (Actually, looking at the standings again, I think the Red Sox would have won the division outright had they swept, by being one game better overall in the W-L column.)

Thus, no playoff game would have been necessary and the runner-up in the division would automatically be the wild-card if they win today, because they are one game ahead in the wild card standings due to the Indians loss yesterday.

If that division runner-up loses today, and the Indians win, then the runner-up in the East would have play the Indians in a one-game playoff to determine the Wild Card, because their records would be identical, and there is no tie-breaker for teams not within the same division.

I blame your misunderstanding the issue less on your Yale education and more on the fact that you are from Canada. I won't even pretend that I understand ice hockey.

ETA: I also don't blame Hank for misunderstanding the issue, because he said he doesn't follow baseball regularly, and besides, it was Saturday night, and y'all know how he gets.

notcasesensitive · 10-02-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by str8outavannuys
I'll give you a 5 team teaser this week. (For those of you who don't know, a teaser is a bet that you get to add a certain number of points to the spread in your favor, but you have to take multiple teams, and the payout is complicated.

Cinci -9.5 (+6.5)
Indy -7 (+6.5)
San Diego +4 (+6.5)
Tampa -6.5 (+6.5)
Carolina -7.5 (+6.5)

If you're feeling shy, or don't want to wait until Monday night, or don't want to bet against Brett Favre, then drop the Panthers out and make it a 4 teamer.

I think the 3 sure things are SD, Tampa and Indy on this one.

Godammit. THose three are the three picks I made in my elimination pools. Don't fuck this up for me, str8.

spookyfish · 10-02-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by paigowprincess
I have a better question. And it seems so obvious that it is almost a softball, no pun, if questiosn could be softballs. Is the term "whiff" descended from "whiffleball"?

Because I am ever hepful, the answer to your wuestion is yes. And I think it has more to do with the inimitable sound that the plastic bat makes when you swing it hard and miss.

spookyfish · 10-02-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by paigowprincess
No, translation: Spooky is a douche who did not get my question. Maybe I shoudl have typed more slowly.

Thank you Str8 for that is what I did not get. APpparently Spooky is not a Yale grad. Gotta dumb it down for te Case Western crowd.

No, translation: This is a post hoc because I am trying to cover my sore ass for not framing my question properly. Perhaps if I had given fewer blowjobs in law school, I may have acutally learned that skill. . .

ETA: Although I can see the allure of you accepting str8's explanation over mine, since that scenario could only exist in Fantasy Land.

spookyfish · 10-02-2005, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by paigowprincess
Actually, in Spooky's case its more like he said "its a section 237 action, Red beats Green and Delano demurred " then when questioned on the correlation between Delano and the 237 action he said "I will type more slowly. Bc red beats green and red is reddeer than green" when what he shoudl have said is that"It is a Section 237 action because of the concurrence of the fact that Delano demurred and Red beats green. Without Delano demurring, red beating green would not arise to a 237 action (even though Delano resides in a different jurisdiction) because the Delano correlation to the 237 action is X. "

I don't actually think Spooky understood why there was a correlation between Delano demurring and there being a 237 action, just that there was some correlation he didn't understand. Which I understood by the time he said "I will type more slowly". I just dont think he knew himself. '

Which is why Spooky only got into Case Western and not Yale

I have no idea what any of this means, but red is redder than green.

spookyfish · 10-02-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Life's a bitch.

If it helps, I'm rooting for the Tribe tomorrow. I want them to both burn out with the extra game.

You're telling me.

We thank you for your support.

Penske_Account · 10-02-2005, 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by spookyfish
I can tell you exactly why I included the Cleveland loss in the analysis of why the Yankees clinched today. It's because you framed your question for shit. I quote:

"This is wrong, right? The Yanks did not clinch, they just cemented the Red Sox not being able to clinch without a playoff. The Yanks, if they lose tomorrow (hahahaha) would then have not clinched and have to go to playoffs. Tell me Yahoo fucked up plase"

This is the part of the question where you fucked up. The Yankees and the Red Sox, even assuming all three teams wound up with identical records, would not play each other in a playoff. The tie-breaker would determine the champion of the Eastern Division. The only way the Yankees play a one-game playoff with anybody is if they had lost yesterday and today to the Red Sox, because they would have lost the tie-breaker to them 10 games to 9.

And this is rich, coming from perhaps the most condescending individual on the board (the Snidely sock notwithstanding.)

Are you trying to claim you went to Yale?

Penske_Account · 10-02-2005, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
That would mean that str8 doesn't make those bets- i.e. equal to something Fringey wouldn't order. And I should note that I'm only buying into the "fringey is overweight" conceit for the limited purpose of this analysis.

Slave's point was that str8's picks are of little value since Slave believes str8 picks tends to be wrong.

That would be more like Fringey giving you the diet book she bought last February to get ready for bikini season.

How are you using "conceit"?

spookyfish · 10-02-2005, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by dtb
That's ok -- we don't need your stinking rooting.

One question, though -- how is that the NYY clinched the division yesterday? If Boston wins today, aren't they tied? They must have explained this on TV, but I wasn't listening.

This may be a STP situation, but, meh.

Fair enough.

I have decided to root against the Red Sox, as it makes the whole prospect more palatable. Does anybody know if they sell Schilling or Manny voodoo dolls on eBay?