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[spookyfish]

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. Honestly.

But I think I'd be really offended if someone fielded the Long Island Heebs or the Boca Raton Kikes. So I can see your point.

And I agree with you. St. Johns' change to the Red Storm wasn't such a big deal.

Except for the fact that "Red Storm" is a stupid name for a team.

As for Thurgreed's question. I can understand Native Americans being offended by the characature, and I would not have a problem with it being eliminated, although I'm not sure that the terms "Indians, Braves, Warriors" and that ilk themselves are offensive or necessarily meant to be offensive. I think it's a fine line, really. I don't know if you recall when Bill Clinton came to throw out the first pitch when Jacobs Field opened, but he wore a hat with the script "C" rather than the logo. By the same token, I don't know if the logo for the Redskins or the Blackhawks is inherently offensive, although certainly the name of the former is.

I know for a fact that the name of the Cleveland Baseball team was taken in honor of one of the early captains of the team who was Native American. So I guess the question is, should all team names/mascots which relate to people rather than animals, etc. be disallowed, because someone somewhere is bound to be offended? I mean, if that's the case, then names like Yankees, Mariners, Pirates, Celtics, etc. should go too, or just those that relate to racial minorities? That seems kind of stupid to me, too.

[Replaced_Texan]

Someone kidnapped my sister's dog, put him in police academy and then put him on the streets in the UK, with predictable (for Holden) results. I swear these are the types of things he'd do if he were on duty:

Two-year-old Buster performed well at the start of his 14-week training program, but his work gradually deteriorated and the problem worsened once he started patrolling the streets, he said.

On one occasion, Buster walked straight past a suspected criminal hiding in the garden of a house late at night and went off to cock his leg.

"I searched the garden myself and found the bloke. The dog had walked past the spot where I found him," Stephenson said. "You would have expected him to use his nose to locate him."

During a separate tracking operation, also in the early hours of the morning, Buster gave up while in mid-chase across a golf course . "He just downed tools," Stephenson said. "He just lay down and there was nothing we could do. He has got a very low drive for finding people."

When patroling Rotherham at pub closing times — when the streets are often crowded with drunken revelers — Buster wagged his tail when people came up to him and ate their fries, instead of deterring potential trouble makers, his former handler said.

Holden loves bars at closing time.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by spookyfish
Except for the fact that "Red Storm" is a stupid name for a team.

As for Thurgreed's question. I can understand Native Americans being offended by the characature, and I would not have a problem with it being eliminated, although I'm not sure that the terms "Indians, Braves, Warriors" and that ilk themselves are offensive or necessarily meant to be offensive. I think it's a fine line, really. I don't know if you recall when Bill Clinton came to throw out the first pitch when Jacobs Field opened, but he wore a hat with the script "C" rather than the logo. By the same token, I don't know if the logo for the Redskins or the Blackhawks is inherently offensive, although certainly the name of the former is.

I know for a fact that the name of the Cleveland Baseball team was taken in honor of one of the early captains of the team who was Native American. So I guess the question is, should all team names/mascots which relate to people rather than animals, etc. be disallowed, because someone somewhere is bound to be offended? I mean, if that's the case, then names like Yankees, Mariners, Pirates, Celtics, etc. should go too, or just those that relate to racial minorities? That seems kind of stupid to me, too.

Don't forget Hoosiers. Okay, go ahead, forget Hoosiers.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by spookyfish
I mean, if that's the case, then names like Yankees, Mariners, Pirates, Celtics, etc. should go too, or just those that relate to racial minorities? That seems kind of stupid to me, too.

I believe they prefer the term "Buccaneer Americans."

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by baltassoc
I believe they prefer the term "Buccaneer Americans."

And the Baseball team in New York (the one with the pinstripes) is commonly referred to by certain people down South as the "New York Northern Aggressors."

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by taxwonk
What's your stand on top-shelf martinis?

Does it change if you know in advance I won't blow you?

I like them every now and then.

You won't? That's not what Hank told me.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by spookyfish
And the Baseball team in New York (the one with the pinstripes) is commonly referred to by certain people down South as the "New York Northern Aggressors."

Sometimes they even use the more derogatory "Yankees."

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Really? It reminds me of choking.

You are right. They choked. No excuses. The last week of the season they got beaten by two teams who, for whatever reason, pretty much owned them this year whenever they played.

By the way, I would actually like to see the Sox win the whole thing, since my own team has had a rather long history of futililty and because I think the team deserves it for the way they played this year.

But you're making it really fucking hard for me to do that.

[notcasesensitive]

This is a controversal stance, I know, but I just tried the Reeses Big Cup and I have to say that the chocolate-to-peanut-butter ratio is not right in it. I was all for the Double Stuff when Oreo upped the creme-filled-cookie ante years ago, but I think the Big Cup misses the mark. Sorry, TM. I wanted to like it.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Spooky is not exactly a top-shelf kind of guy. iykwim.

But I'm fairly certain he won't blow you either.

4.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by spookyfish
Except for the fact that "Red Storm" is a stupid name for a team.

And this really says nothing about anything other than the school's inability to come up with a good name. But it sure beats Redmen.*

Originally posted by spookyfish
As for Thurgreed's question. I can understand Native Americans being offended by the characature, and I would not have a problem with it being eliminated, although I'm not sure that the terms "Indians, Braves, Warriors" and that ilk themselves are offensive or necessarily meant to be offensive. I think it's a fine line, really. I don't know if you recall when Bill Clinton came to throw out the first pitch when Jacobs Field opened, but he wore a hat with the script "C" rather than the logo. By the same token, I don't know if the logo for the Redskins or the Blackhawks is inherently offensive, although certainly the name of the former is.

I think that after what many Native Americans have gone through in this country, combined with the fact that you can't divorce the image from the team name (Indians with that little red sambo image) or the team name from the image (Redskins from the Native American image they use) I am lead to only one conclusion.

Originally posted by spookyfish
I know for a fact that the name of the Cleveland Baseball team was taken in honor of one of the early captains of the team who was Native American. So I guess the question is, should all team names/mascots which relate to people rather than animals, etc. be disallowed, because someone somewhere is bound to be offended? I mean, if that's the case, then names like Yankees, Mariners, Pirates, Celtics, etc. should go too, or just those that relate to racial minorities? That seems kind of stupid to me, too.

This is the typical bullshit response that I consistently hear whenever someone wants to change something that is offensive on its face. The old, "Well, what's next? Are we going to change the name of the Yankees so as to not offend the one northerner out there who doesn't like it? How far are we going to go?" It's a bullshit argument.

And this type of argument only works in a climate where the group being shit on isn't as numerous or powerful and therefore not as vocal nor as in your face (as in, the 8 people I rode the elevator with today were all Native American and I didn't really want to talk about how the Redskins kicked ass) as blacks, hispanics, asians or jews would be. If there was a team called the New Orleans Negros or the Atlanta Asians, you wouldn't hesistate to say that the names would be completely inappropriate.

The question I keep asking you and everyone else is, why are these names that are so clearly linked to another era, when respect for Native Americans was scarce, so important? Why should they have to face that shit day in and day out because other people's traditions include this type of disrespect?

TM

*Not to be confused with Redman who kicks ass.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by spookyfish
Yankees, Mariners, --------- Celtics, etc. should go too,

Non-offensive logos, and no offensive underlying sterotypes being played. The Indian's are generally used because of the sterotype they once went around scalping people. In fact, walking through a Seminole village in 1800 would be safer than walking through most of our cities right now, but you don't get that from the usages.

Originally posted by spookyfish
-------- Pirates---------

find us a plaintiff and we can look at it.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by spookyfish
By the way, I would actually like to see the Sox win the whole thing, since my own team has had a rather long history of futililty

If you're looking for a team with a long history of futility, I have one for you to root for.

As a bonus, as far as I can tell, the team name "Astros" offends pretty much no one.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
If you're looking for a team with a long history of futility, I have one for you to root for.

As a bonus, as far as I can tell, the team name "Astros" offends pretty much no one.

I understand the talking dogs of the future are a little put off.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I will alert them.

Are you intentionally missing the point? Because I'm tired of making it.

TM

No, I get your larger point. I'm just attempting to hang caveats off it and carve out exceptions.