Happy Birthday, Preston Michael Spears Federline and other Certain Special Someones!

[Alex_de_Large]

On ESPN.com, from DJ Gallo's NFL wrap up:

"Ricky Williams claims he has regained almost all of the weight he lost during his year away from the game, but let's be honest here -- a good amount of that weight is in beard. (And just to be clear, I'm referring to the facial hair kind of beard, not the Katie Holmes kind.)"

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Should have seen that one coming.

And AoN, shouldn't this Barbie's skin be lighter?:

http://www.authentichistory.com/dive...eo_Barbie.html

TM

they couldn't convey the personality with just one doll. skin tone alone won't do it. they ended up with a pair of doll to do the whole Oreo thing.



http://cgi.ebay.com/BARBIE-OREO-BOTH...QQcmdZViewItem

[bilmore]

Originally posted by spookyfish
. . . although I'm not sure that the terms "Indians, Braves, Warriors" and that ilk themselves are offensive or necessarily meant to be offensive.

It implies a certain monolithic group characteristic that allows you (us?) to NOT think about the group at all beyond that characteristic. It marginalizes them into pre-packaged bites. I think you'd find many more poets in that group these days than warriors, but the stereotype keeps you from ever discovering that, 'cuz you already know what you need to know, right?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
TM

*Not to be confused with Redman who kicks ass.

I didn't really picture you as the type, but whatever.

[IMG]http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Red+Man+chewing+tobacco/v=2/SID=e/TID=I056_77/l=IVS/SIG=124i73aet/EXP=1129671418/*-http%3A//www.advantageservice.net/images/scrap.gif[/IMG]


And since I'm posting images already, has anyone heard this?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

The question I keep asking you and everyone else is, why are these names that are so clearly linked to another era, when respect for Native Americans was scarce, so important? Why should they have to face that shit day in and day out because other people's traditions include this type of disrespect?

They're not really. I think the argument is a knee jerk reaction to the PC crowd who usually leads the charge on these arguments. Think about it. A cat with a job like you and I isn't going to protest or have a sit in to change a mascot's name. We're too busy with our lives, and posting about the topic on chat boards. The people who tend to become the public face of these movenments are generally, well... annoying, whitebread overschooled pains in the ass with time on their hands. So people develop an immediate distaste for the message, which they confuse with the messenger.

Were the message delivered rationally by a normal person, and not a professional protestor, I think it'd get a lot further. Take, for instance, the Augusta thing. I think women ought to be members. BUT, I hate like hell the obnoxious behavior of the professional protestors out there screaming and throwing fits about it.

There was a reason MLK and Gandhi told their supporters to stay focused and not become shrill. They knew the messenger was a huge part of the message.

This, of course, is only part of the answer to your question. The complete answer would take pages and numerous responders. And it'd probably require us to import the viewpoints of people we'd rather not have posting here.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
This is a controversal stance, I know, but I just tried the Reeses Big Cup and I have to say that the chocolate-to-peanut-butter ratio is not right in it. I was all for the Double Stuff when Oreo upped the creme-filled-cookie ante years ago, but I think the Big Cup misses the mark. Sorry, TM. I wanted to like it.

Okay, now I'm really fucking offended.

TM

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by spookyfish
You are right. They choked. No excuses. The last week of the season they got beaten by two teams who, for whatever reason, pretty much owned them this year whenever they played.

By the way, I would actually like to see the Sox win the whole thing, since my own team has had a rather long history of futililty and because I think the team deserves it for the way they played this year.

But you're making it really fucking hard for me to do that.

Yeah. That was harsh. I'll stop. I still haven't gotten over those mid-90's Indians teams that dominated the White Sox.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
If you're looking for a team with a long history of futility, I have one for you to root for.

As a bonus, as far as I can tell, the team name "Astros" offends pretty much no one.

Rexcruse Ree?



I'd make a sock, but I don't do socks.

TM

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
This is a controversal stance, I know, but I just tried the Reeses Big Cup and I have to say that the chocolate-to-peanut-butter ratio is not right in it. I was all for the Double Stuff when Oreo upped the creme-filled-cookie ante years ago, but I think the Big Cup misses the mark. Sorry, TM. I wanted to like it.

I had the same disappointment in the KIT KAT BIG KAT and Extra Crispy Kit Kat. Too much kookie and and not enough khocolate.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by bilmore
It implies a certain monolithic group characteristic that allows you (us?) to NOT think about the group at all beyond that characteristic. It marginalizes them into pre-packaged bites. I think you'd find many more poets in that group these days than warriors, but the stereotype keeps you from ever discovering that, 'cuz you already know what you need to know, right?

This happens less often than it does with Fugee, but I have to say I am in complete agreement with Bilmore.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I didn't really picture you as the type, but whatever.

[IMG]http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Red+Man+chewing+tobacco/v=2/SID=e/TID=I056_77/l=IVS/SIG=124i73aet/EXP=1129671418/*-http%3A//www.advantageservice.net/images/scrap.gif[/IMG]

I wouldn't put it past this guy to smoke some chewing tabacky in his day:



TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I spent the weekend driving from old people's apartment in Jenkintown to the Residence Inn in Willow Grove straight down the 611- and every 4 hours duck out to Sid (Ben?) and Irv's or some shit for the corned beef.
Why would anyone choose to live there? (I do like the city but your suburbs are nasty places)

Not my suburb. I may go bankrupt from keeping up with the Joneses, but its a pretty nice gig. Good eats, good shops, good bars. Its pretty cushy.

If you'd bothered to say hi, I'd have shown you a much better time than you had doing whatever you were doing.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
They're not really. I think the argument is a knee jerk reaction to the PC crowd who usually leads the charge on these arguments. Think about it. A cat with a job like you and I isn't going to protest or have a sit in to change a mascot's name. We're too busy with our lives, and posting about the topic on chat boards. The people who tend to become the public face of these movenments are generally, well... annoying, whitebread overschooled pains in the ass with time on their hands. So people develop an immediate distaste for the message, which they confuse with the messenger.

People should learn to think for themselves.

TM

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
And this really says nothing about anything other than the school's inability to come up with a good name. But it sure beats Redmen.*

I think that after what many Native Americans have gone through in this country, combined with the fact that you can't divorce the image from the team name (Indians with that little red sambo image) or the team name from the image (Redskins from the Native American image they use) I am lead to only one conclusion.

This is the typical bullshit response that I consistently hear whenever someone wants to change something that is offensive on its face. The old, "Well, what's next? Are we going to change the name of the Yankees so as to not offend the one northerner out there who doesn't like it? How far are we going to go?" It's a bullshit argument.

And this type of argument only works in a climate where the group being shit on isn't as numerous or powerful and therefore not as vocal nor as in your face (as in, the 8 people I rode the elevator with today were all Native American and I didn't really want to talk about how the Redskins kicked ass) as blacks, hispanics, asians or jews would be. If there was a team called the New Orleans Negros or the Atlanta Asians, you wouldn't hesistate to say that the names would be completely inappropriate.

The question I keep asking you and everyone else is, why are these names that are so clearly linked to another era, when respect for Native Americans was scarce, so important? Why should they have to face that shit day in and day out because other people's traditions include this type of disrespect?

TM

*Not to be confused with Redman who kicks ass.

You do realize that the my first comment was a joke, don't you?

And I don't mean to be argumentative here or beat this into the ground, but I'm not sure what your conclusion is, because you didn't address my question about names like "Warriors," "Braves" and "Blackhawks". Let's divorce the names from the logos, shall we? Eliminate them completely or not? I'll be honest, when I was a kid, I didn't even make the connection of "Warriors" to Native Americans. I thought it was a generic term.

I don't know. I think from what I have personally observed, the groups that aren't as numerous and powerful are actually more vocal about it. Which is understandable. Certainly I can understand the logo being offensive, and maybe it can't be divorced from the name in this case, but I don't know if you asked a majority of Native Americans if they find the term "Indians" offensive on its face, if they would. Maybe so. I just really don't know the answer to that question, because I don't share that experience and that heritage. I don't really have a problem with changing the name, if it came right down to it, but I also don't automatically assume that every name carries with it inherent baggage and disrespect.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski

find us a [pirate] plaintiff and we can look at it.

I have heard that Sebastian is kind of pirate-like. A dashing, swishy pirate who stuggles daily to overcome the "pillage and rob" stereotypes with which he has been branded because of pervasive athletic team mascots. Today's pirates don't swing onto your ship with knives clutched in their teeth, and the last thing they want is to take your women. Today's pirates are more about dressing well and not wearing any underpants. And swinging back in forth on hammocks with other pirates.