A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And every time a concession is made - like building a prayer room in an Athletic Arena - it only means a broader request is soon to follow.

I wonder who first asked for a chapel in an airport?

S_A_M

P.S. This is a semi-respectable argument, although Penske's federal funds argument is better, and I certainly wouldn't be upset if the arena/university declined the request for either reason. But your sheer vitriol undermines your argument, and speaks to something deeper.

{edited to delete insult -- because saying it once is enough -- and to provide substantive response}

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Thank god. Otherwise, he'd probably return wearing an exploding belt full of nails.

You fucking disgust me.

S_A_M

(edited to move insult here, where it is more appropriate)

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Cletus Miller
So a few people have to choose between honoring their religious beliefs and attending a basketball game--where does that stop? Do all college football games need to be moved from Saturday afternoons? What about Friday night high school football?

Most of the conversation isn't really about whether the request should be granted. I have no opinion on that.

The issue is more whether we should hate the man for even asking -- or for being Muslim in the first place.

Which is it, Slave?

S_A_M

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
You really need to get a life, or stop being so fucking hateful.

The man is quoted as saying "its not really such a big deal", but they'd appreciate a small area for prayers. Did I miss something?

WTF is wrong with _asking_ for that? WTF is wrong with you?

Dude, if they cave to his demands, it's one short, slippery slope to the forced conversion to Islam of anyone who wants to see a basketball game.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

More on Grand Canyon-gate. Case closed.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
When you are doing legal research and you find a case that is 80% the same facts as your case, you dismiss it because it isn't 100% the same?

That Mormon guy; he didn't ask that the Sunday games be rescheduled? he felt that if he were true to his religion he just wouldn't be able to show for them? Interesting.

I don't do research. I have people to do that for me.

And you are nowhere near 80%.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Adder
This is relevant how? First of all, dude's religion doesn't require him not to be out during the games. Second, he is willing to pray in whatever space he can find if the university says no (which they can do if they want). And finally, dude just asked if there was somepalce he could pray. Politely.

And, while we are sharing stories, when I played on the travelling basketball team in middle school, the most athletic player on the team (perhaps even one of the best) was a Mormom who wasn't really supposed to play on Sundays, when the later rounds of the tournaments were played. He had to decide whether to play or not. Most of the time, he did not. None of us disrespected whatever decision he felt was approriate.

Lame teammate. Being on a team means sacrificing for the team. That dude wouldn't last long in the law when Client calls on Sunday morning for a turnaround before start of day on Monday.

For me I handle deals with nexii in Utah sometimes and I make it clear....no mormom shite allowed. If I want to drink and dance while I work on Sundays, then they need to be down with that.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
You really need to get a life, or stop being so fucking hateful.

The man is quoted as saying "its not really such a big deal", but they'd appreciate a small area for prayers. Did I miss something?

WTF is wrong with _asking_ for that? WTF is wrong with you?

S_A_M

On a general level, what's wrong with it is no matter how much accommodation you give the rank and file riff raff always want more.

Example, staff persons in a law firm (or really any office so i hear). Let's say you give them a long weekend for President's day. Invariably on the Friday before the Monday people start sniffing around as to whether they might be allowed to leave a little early that day because things are slowing down early with the impending holiday and they want to beat the holiday rush. When I got to the corner office I proposed a secret office rule. Any person who asks such a question is summarily dismissed immediately. During the holiday period we invoked the rule a few times and last week for MLK no one asked.

I would suggest Northwestern do the same.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Most of the conversation isn't really about whether the request should be granted. I have no opinion on that.

The issue is more whether we should hate the man for even asking -- or for being Muslim in the first place.

Which is it, Slave?

S_A_M

Another thought on the ask.....Howard Shultz "asked" the people of Seattle to fund his sports team's arena expansion. So a billionaire with a several hundred million dollar asset that brings in tens of millions of dollars of revenue wants me to fund his capex. No profit sharing. No tangible RoI. Based on that "ask" I no longer drink Starbucks. THIS STORY IS OUTABLE, SO I WILL BE DELETING IT IN SEVERAL HOURS. READ NOW OR LOSE YOUR CHANCE.

[Penske_Account]

aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

[Penske_Account]

Let us pray.......

[Penske_Account]

An Open Letter to Hillary Clinton

BY JUANITA BROADDRICK

'DO YOU REMEMBER?'
SUNDAY OCT 15, 2000

As I watched Rick Lazio's interview on Fox News this morning, I felt compelled to write this open letter to you, Mrs. Clinton. Brit Hume asked Mr. Lazio's views regarding you as a person and how he perceived you as a candidate. Rick Lazio did not answer the question, but I know that I can. You know it, too.

I have no doubt that you are the same conniving, self-serving person you were twenty-two years ago when I had the misfortune to meet you. When I see you on television, campaigning for the New York senate race, I can see the same hypocrisy in your face that you displayed to me one evening in 1978. You have not changed.

I remember it as though it was yesterday. I only wish that it were yesterday and maybe there would still be time to do something about what your husband, Bill Clinton, did to me. There was a political rally for Mr. Clinton's bid for governor of Arkansas. I had obligated myself to be at this rally prior to my being assaulted by
your husband in April, 1978. I had made up my mind to make an appearance and then leave as soon as the two of you arrived. This was a big mistake, but I was still in a state of shock and denial. You had questioned the gentleman who drove you and Mr.
Clinton from the airport. You asked him about me and if I would be at the gathering. Do you remember? You told the driver, "Bill has talked so much about Juanita", and that you were so anxious to meet me. Well, you wasted no time. As soon as you
entered the room, you came directly to me and grabbed my hand. Do you remember how you thanked me, saying "we want to thank you for everything that you do for Bill". At that point, I was pretty shaken and started to walk off. Remember how you
kept a tight grip on my hand and drew closer to me? You repeated your statement, but this time with a coldness and look that I have seen many times on television in the last eight years. You said, "Everything you do for Bill". You then released your grip
and I said nothing and left the gathering.

What did you mean, Hillary? Were you referring to my keeping quiet about the assault I had suffered at the hands of your husband only two weeks before? Were you warning me to continue to keep quiet? We both know the answer to that question. Yes, I can answer Brit Hume's question. You are the same Hillary that you were twenty years ago. You are cold, calculating and self-serving. You cannot tolerate the
thought that you will soon be without the power you have wielded for the last eight years. Your effort to stay in power will be at the expense of the state of New York. I only hope the voters of New York will wake up in time and realize that Hillary Clinton is not an honorable or an honest person.

I will end by asking if you believe the statements I made on NBC Dateline when Lisa Myers asked if I had been assaulted and raped by your husband? Or perhaps, you are like Vice-President Gore and did not see the interview.

Juanita Broaddrick
Arkansas

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Since you seem to be bored, here's an interview with Noam Chomsky. A brief taste (an amuse bouche, if you will):

• Do you think bad folk music, drugs and poor hygiene will ever topple the Military Industrial Complex?
  
  I assume that too is not intended seriously, but in this case I don’t discern a serious issue lying behind the query.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

At first blush, this looked more plausible to me than what the President has proposed:

http://www.comw.org/pda/0701bm40.html

But I haven't read it all.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Yes, but . . . it seems to me that setting up a "prayer room" in the basketball arena is not a particularly good idea. Not because the folks asking for it are douchebags, terrorists, zionists, crusaders or scientologists. Because setting up "sacred" space in an otherwise a-religious facility that no one is present at other than completely voluntarily (i.e. not a workplace) is just not the way America works.

So a few people have to choose between honoring their religious beliefs and attending a basketball game--where does that stop? Do all college football games need to be moved from Saturday afternoons? What about Friday night high school football?

This is perfectly reasonable. If the decision were put to me, this would be my answer in virtually any circumstance. (I say "virtually" because I can imagine a circumstance where there would be an unused office or some other space where I could tell students, "ok -- how about there?").

This makes the answer "no." Not "no, douchebag." Not "no, because you and your kind are destroying Christianity." Just "no".

Now, if someone files a lawsuit or leads a protest march over this -- well, then I start saying "douchebag." But the guy in Slave's post seemed pretty reasonable -- he wants to go to games (isn't that good? Don't you prefer that Muslims be integrated rather than segregated?). He wants to pray at the ordained times. He's fine doing that under the bleachers or anywhere else ("not a big deal," or something like that, he said). And he asked -- not demanded, just asked -- for a better option. Big fucking deal.