Still Hating America.

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for poo-pooing the affects of global warming. A friend sent me a pictorial documenting the horrific affects that global warming is having on real people in very short spans of time. I copy the evidence here.....

Al Gore in 2002




Al Gore today:

[Spanky]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
to be a proper presidential campaign representative.

AMANDA MARCOTTE
Fucking suckwad cocksuck fundy fuckwit godbag cunt!

Should I know who Amanda Marcotte is?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Spanky
Should I know who Amanda Marcotte is?

If measured only by the level of vitriol directed at her, I'd say yes.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
Should I know who Amanda Marcotte is?

If profanity is the hobgoblin of the faux-intellectual elitists, I say she is a big tyme hater of the Demo variety.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The Democrat party (Hi!) filibustered anything and everything to prevent a vote on the merits. We hardly need to provide a link to prove this truism.

And Ty builds a straw man by asking "what bill on Iraq has been filibustered" - when the whole point is that the Senate has been too afraid to PROPOSE any bills on Iraq, until now.

Talk tough, act weak.

You see that the President's war is a failure, and you're fixing to blame it on the Democrats. The trouble is, you and everyone else knows that's bullshit. The President has had everything he wanted for this war, and he fucked it up.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And Ty builds a straw man by asking "what bill on Iraq has been filibustered" - when the whole point is that the Senate has been too afraid to PROPOSE any bills on Iraq, until now.

But isn't that what you guys wanted from 2002-2006? Bush was asking for the Senate's input?

Those were the good old days, Slave, when your party controlled every damn thing, and had damn near free reign over national security policy -- and most especially Iraq. The White House ran the show -- as it still does. The Administration's considerable skill at governing in campaign mode and politicizing the "War on Terror" had almost every politician in line.

How did that work for you?

That's the hell of it, isn't it? You guys had everything, and now your complaint is that the Democrats didn't stop the GOp from committing what may turn out to be the greatest foreign policy fuckup in a long, long time.

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Talk tough, act weak.

Failure is weak.

S_A_M

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
You see that the President's war is a failure, and you're fixing to blame it on the Democrats. The trouble is, you and everyone else knows that's bullshit. The President has had everything he wanted for this war, and he fucked it up.

I see that the "war" is a complete and utter success in that we are taking it to the enemy - the Islamists - over there and not here.

Period. End of story.

What is bullshit is that the Democrats and the Left - guys like you - want to not only whitewash this success, but to somehow step back and abandon the safeguards and steps we have implemented (not nearly enough, IMHO) here, and basically make it easier for those who would kill you to do so.

That the neo-cons were a bunch of optimists that failed to realize that Islamic fervor and infighting would triumph over any attempts at establishing democracy over there was indeed a failure. Lesson learned. True.

But don't give me this Biden-ish and Kerry-ish crap about fuckups and the like. The Dems read the intel, voted for everything, and they never said word "boo" until it was politically expedient to bad mouth the President. And yet still doesn't have the sack to do anything about it.

[SlaveNoMore]

Secret_Agent_Man
That's the hell of it, isn't it? You guys had everything, and now your complaint is that the Democrats didn't stop the GOp from committing what may turn out to be the greatest foreign policy fuckup in a long, long time.


Failure is weak.

I'm not complaining. However, I think its despicable for the do-nothing Senate Democrats to talk a lot of smack, when they sat on their hands for years, did nothing, and now are trying to whitewash history.

Give a guy like Kucinich credit - he talked the talk and walked the walk back in the day. Unlike flip-flop from MA, who voted for funding, until he didn't.

My problems with this admin is all domestic, not foreign.

[Penske_Account]

do the dems hate America? anyone? buller?

[Hank Chinaski]

I have learned from all the well read Dems here that missile defense is an empty sink hole for cash, and cannot possibly work, and I have accepted that truth.

But I just read Putin's remarks about the US and he mentioned our setting up missile defense as an aggressive act. Does't he know that it is an empty sink hole for cash, and cannot possibly work? You would think he would want us wasting our money.

Ty. Can you get get someone to check your facts?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
But don't give me this Biden-ish and Kerry-ish crap about fuckups and the like. The Dems read the intel, voted for everything, and they never said word "boo" until it was politically expedient to bad mouth the President. And yet still doesn't have the sack to do anything about it.

You change gears so quickly. A moment ago you were bitching that the Democrats had filibustered everything -- now the complaint is that they "voted for everything." If Democrats lined up and committed ritual mass suicide, you would surely still have some complaint about it.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I have learned from all the well read Dems here that missile defense is an empty sink hole for cash, and cannot possibly work, and I have accepted that truth.

But I just read Putin's remarks about the US and he mentioned our setting up missile defense as an aggressive act. Does't he know that it is an empty sink hole for cash, and cannot possibly work? You would think he would want us wasting our money.

Ty. Can you get get someone to check your facts?

He's former KGB. Mightn't he be fucking with your mind?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I see that the "war" is a complete and utter success in that we are taking it to the enemy - the Islamists - over there and not here.

Period. End of story.

:seenno:

Yeah. And absent the Iraq War the streets of America would be crawling with Islamic terrorists and suicide bombers in running battles with the police and National Guard. We wouldn'tr have any way to stop it at all.

You rest your entire analysis of this "success", apparently, on a completely unproven and unprovable hypothetical. Nice work if you can get it.

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
That the neo-cons were a bunch of optimists that failed to realize that Islamic fervor and infighting would triumph over any attempts at establishing democracy over there was indeed a failure. Lesson learned. True.

Ok -- Any adverse consequences to this failure? Any way in which this wonderful political and policy triumph has worsened America's position in the world? If so, to save time, please explain up front how this can all be blamed on our party.

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
But don't give me this Biden-ish and Kerry-ish crap about fuckups and the like. The Dems read the intel, voted for everything, and they never said word "boo" until it was politically expedient to bad mouth the President. And yet still doesn't have the sack to do anything about it.

Next you'll explain how Lay and Skilling and Fastow weren't really all that culpable in the Enron scandal -- it was the damn VPs and middle management.

Simply not credible.

S_A_M

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You change gears so quickly. A moment ago you were bitching that the Democrats had filibustered everything -- now the complaint is that they "voted for everything." If Democrats lined up and committed ritual mass suicide, you would surely still have some complaint about it.

the problem most of us have is that the "ritual mass suicide" course the Dems have chosen is likely to take the rest of us with them.