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03-13-2007, 04:34 PM
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oh where oh where has my ninth amendment gone
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You would get rid of all zoning laws. What if a chemical plant was built next to your house?
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They have apparently all been to Houston and thought it was FABULOUS!
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03-13-2007, 04:35 PM
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#2417
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This is going to get some sexual offender killed.
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I suspect that the sponsors wouldn't really mind that.
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03-13-2007, 04:39 PM
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Really? That is the "real problem?"
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That is A real problem that would foil the intentions of the sponsors of the law.
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03-13-2007, 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
That is A real problem that would foil the intentions of the sponsors of the law.
S_A_M
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If you believe that the intentions of the sponsors it to protect kids rather than to publicly shame sex offenders, then yes. I am not so sure about that though.
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03-13-2007, 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Spanky
This is going to get some sexual offender killed.
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or starting to take the bus.
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03-13-2007, 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Adder
I suspect that the sponsors wouldn't really mind that.
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I know all the homes of people who are listed as sex offenders in my zip code, and I know that some are inaccurate. I always told my kids to ride their bikes to the right instead of the left because of the one alleged guy to the left down the street. Different how?
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03-13-2007, 05:28 PM
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oh where oh where has my ninth amendment gone
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Originally posted by Spanky
Are you a member of the NRA? Do you think people should have autmatic weapons?
Do you think we should have vouchers? Really?
You would get rid of all zoning laws. What if a chemical plant was built next to your house?
BTW: I agree with you on the open borders.
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Why the hell would I join the NRA? They're a bunch of right wing nuts. If I approve of automatic weapons can I also get a howitzer of my own out front? (I don't get that excited over guns one way or the other; the issue is wildly overblown; but I do want a howitzer).
Vouchers can be an important tool in education, but they aren't a panacea. I'm generally a fan of local experimentation in education: charter schools, magnet schools, voucher programs, etc. are all things I like to see.
I'd move. But I'm much more likely to be a nuisance to others that for someone else to be a nuisance to me.
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03-13-2007, 05:31 PM
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oh where oh where has my ninth amendment gone
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Originally posted by Spanky
BTW: I agree with you on the open borders.
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So, you wouldn't repeal the Patriot Act, the most nefarious piece of legislation limiting our freedoms in recent years?
And you support a large standing army?
I sense more of a federalist here than a libertarian.
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03-13-2007, 05:36 PM
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oh where oh where has my ninth amendment gone
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Originally posted by Spanky
You would get rid of all zoning laws. What if a chemical plant was built next to your house?
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I'd sue for nuisance. And win.
If anything, zoning laws have the potential to undermine my case, so zoning can suck it.
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03-13-2007, 05:40 PM
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oh where oh where has my ninth amendment gone
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So, you wouldn't repeal the Patriot Act, the most nefarious piece of legislation limiting our freedoms in recent years?
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The Brady Bill did far more to innocent people. It imposed actual limits on freedoms. The Patriot Act may threaten liberty by the investigatorial authority it provides, but doesn't really restrict much in the way of freedom.
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03-13-2007, 05:58 PM
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Scarlet Letter
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I know all the homes of people who are listed as sex offenders in my zip code, and I know that some are inaccurate. I always told my kids to ride their bikes to the right instead of the left because of the one alleged guy to the left down the street. Different how?
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I am not sure that those registries are a good idea either, but at least one importance difference here is the ease with which one can avoid compliance. Get yourself a fake license plate and viola, no one knows you are a perpetual danger to the community! You can pick up small children at will!
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03-13-2007, 06:00 PM
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oh where oh where has my ninth amendment gone
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So, you wouldn't repeal the Patriot Act, the most nefarious piece of legislation limiting our freedoms in recent years?
And you support a large standing army?
I sense more of a federalist here than a libertarian.
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I am only a libertarian on moral issues.
I believe in a strong safety net. Of course people should be encouraged to get off the government dole, but the government has a responsiblity to take care of those people who can't take care of themselves.
I believe in a minimum wage.
I believe the government should spend gobs of money on education (as long as the teacher's Unions are not screwing them up) and infrastructure.
I could care less about guns either way. Except I don't think semiautomatic weapons should be legal.
I support a large standing army because I am a NeoCon.
The only other way I am a libertarian is I don't like government intereference in the economy unless it is to protect the health and safety of workers or consumers or to protect the environment.
But otherwise the government should not second guess markets, so no tariffs, quotas, NTBs or subsidies.
I believe we should have open borders exept I think we should screen everyone that comes in. But if you aren't some sort of criminal or are not on a terrorist watch list, or French come on in.
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03-13-2007, 06:07 PM
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For what it's worth
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oh where oh where has my ninth amendment gone
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So, you wouldn't repeal the Patriot Act, the most nefarious piece of legislation limiting our freedoms in recent years?
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The patriot act doesn't bother me. I am much more worried about a terrorist taking away my right to life than I am the government infringing on my rights. I don't believe in the exclusionary rule either.
I just don't see us turning into a police state any time soon.
What I don't like is any form of censorship. That is where I fear government but I see the threat as coming from the "family values" angle not the "national security" angle.
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03-13-2007, 06:08 PM
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oh where oh where has my ninth amendment gone
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Originally posted by Spanky
I believe we should have open borders exept I think we should screen everyone that comes in. But if you aren't some sort of criminal or are not on a terrorist watch list, or French come on in.
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What if your name is sorta kinda like that of someone on the terror watch list?
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03-13-2007, 06:10 PM
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#2430
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oh where oh where has my ninth amendment gone
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
The Brady Bill did far more to innocent people. It imposed actual limits on freedoms. The Patriot Act may threaten liberty by the investigatorial authority it provides, but doesn't really restrict much in the way of freedom.
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I guess that depends on whether you think a police state is more of an invasion of individual liberate than limiting the scope of gun you can own.
Personally, I don't think the latter is a restriction of much magnitude, but I suppose I agree that the restriction does flow more directly from the statute.
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