Still Hating America.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
She's not "thumbing her nose" at the President, and more than those Republicans are. The President attacked her, not the other way around.

Indeed.

• David Hobson, a Republican from Ohio who accompanied Pelosi, said that the Speaker did not stray very far from Bush administration policy. Hobson said Pelosi "did not engage in any Bush bashing. She did not...bash [Bush] policies as they relate to Syria." Instead, Hobson said, Pelosi urged Assad to curb the number of suicide bombers who cross the Syrian border into Iraq to "murder our troops and the Iraqi people."

http://tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/...e_peacemakersi


That treasonous bitch.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter [..curb the number...

No wonder why Assad is laughing.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
You keep coming back to the "White House didn't criticize the Republicans as much as they did Pelosi". I'm still asking what you think Pelosi's genuine intentions were in going to Syria. Feel free to PM the answer. In the spirit of bipartisanship, you can answer the same question for Issa.

I think they went to Syria for much the same reasons that many congressmen go many places. I don't see a particular intent to undercut the President there, not least because I'm not aware that Pelosi said anything different from what a Republican would say in the same circumstances [eta: stp], and also because her trip wasn't really an issue until the White House chose to make it one, not on the heels of Congress's vote to condition funding for the war on a withdrawal of troops.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Adder
I don't really care about this enough to confirm, but there is a chart on page 6 (Figure SPM-3) of his link that may refute that. The labels in the immediate vicinity don't make whole lot of sense on their own.

Also see page 7:

• Global average sea level rose at an average rate of 1.8 [1.3 to 2.3] mm per year over 1961 to 2003. The rate was faster over 1993 to 2003, about 3.1 [2.4 to 3.8] mm per year. Whether the faster rate for 1993 to 2003 reflects decadal variability or an increase in the longer-term trend is unclear. There is high confidence that the rate of observed sea level rise increased from the 19th to the 20th century. The total 20th century rise is estimated to be 0.17 [0.12 to 0.22] m.

[Shape Shifter]

Goodling finally resigns.

And what a surprise - she did it late on a Friday afternoon.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Goodling finally resigns.

And what a surprise - she did it late on a Friday afternoon.

Before a holiday weekend. Its a cliche by now.

S_A_M

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I decline to make such a claim until you confirm that your post is missing a key "not."

LOL. true. insert the noted missing not.

[Diane_Keaton]

[sgtclub]

The international organizations and the left condems this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...=1766&ito=1490

Sgt (Still holding my breath) Club

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
The international organizations and the left condems this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...=1766&ito=1490

Sgt (Still holding my breath) Club

They certainly shouldn't have been treated in that way, but no apologist for the Bush Administration's torture policies can complain about this -- it's far milder than what we've been doing to a lot of people. Assuming that you condemn this stuff too, on what basis do you say that Iran shouldn't have been doing this stuff but that we can do the other?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
They certainly shouldn't have been treated in that way, but no apologist for the Bush Administration's torture policies can complain about this -- it's far milder than what we've been doing to a lot of people. Assuming that you condemn this stuff too, on what basis do you say that Iran shouldn't have been doing this stuff but that we can do the other?

are you serious? we grabbed people who might know some stuff and were people who were hostile to us and torture them, they grab people who were not hostile to them and can't know anything of value to Iran and mistreat them to get them to excuse the initial seizure with a contrived confession-

you argue these are morally and legally equivalent? Do you see where i take a pass on arguing on some issues? That's why I have better credibility than say, oh, you.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
are you serious? we grabbed people who might know some stuff and were people who were hostile to us and torture them, they grab people who were not hostile to them and can't know anything of value to Iran and mistreat them to get them to excuse the initial seizure with a contrived confession-

you argue these are morally and legally equivalent? Do you see where i take a pass on arguing on some issues? That's why I have better credibility than say, oh, you.

Once you decide that it's OK to torture people if you seem some national security related reason to do so, how can be judgmental when other countries do the same? Maybe Iran thought they might learn something. Maybe they saw huge security benefits from the propaganda value of having those folks "apologize." Do I think they're morally equivalent? I think they're both odious. If you don't hold yourself to higher principles, you lose your standing to complain when others don't either.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Once you decide that it's OK to torture people if you seem some national security related reason to do so, how can be judgmental when other countries do the same? Maybe Iran thought they might learn something. Maybe they saw huge security benefits from the propaganda value of having those folks "apologize." Do I think they're morally equivalent? I think they're both odious. If you don't hold yourself to higher principles, you lose your standing to complain when others don't either.

wow- on the second bottle already! we had

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
wow- on the second bottle already! we had

[Tyrone Slothrop]