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[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
So are you instead advocating that we either kill them all (or let themselves kill each other off) and then repopulate the region with Americans?

Because I just read this theory somewhere else.

You read some interesting stuff.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Big Source of Clinton's Cash Is an Unlikely Address
Family's Donations Closely Track Those Of Top Fund-Raiser
By BRODY MULLINS
WSJ August 28, 2007; Page A3

DALY CITY, Calif. -- One of the biggest sources of political donations to Hillary Rodham Clinton is a tiny, lime-green bungalow that lies under the flight path from San Francisco International Airport. blaugh, blaugh blaugh, Paw children have donated the maximum $4,600 to Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign.

Regardless, Hillary Clinton is going to be our next president.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
if you were truly a champion of gay rights, you would be bothered that he got arrested at all.

Why? There's two, separate intertwined issues here. First, he was arrested for disorderly conduct. Doesn't really matter whether it was gay or straight, although it happens that pick-ups in the men's room tend to be gay. If the cops had reports of sex going on behind the ticket counter, and investigated, and sebby was rolling there with the gate agent, why shouldn't he be arrested. It's sex in a public place.*

Second, there's the problem of a staunch gay-right opponent turning out to be gay. We've been over that ground before, but hte issue is the same.


*To be fair, there seems to be a decent argument that sticking your hand under a toilet, even if it's a sign for "wanna fuck", falls short of disorderly conduct sufficient to warrant an arrest. If sebby went up to an undercover cop and said "wanna fuck?" would that be disorderly?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
if you were truly a champion of gay rights, you would be bothered that he got arrested at all. say if, before you got married, you were in the Minneapolis airport, you saw a really hot woman, and maybe she liked you, you said "hey let's go behind that ticket booth over there and get busy- kill 5 minutes" You should be arrested? how is it different? the proposed sex was homo so he should get arrested? Sup Ct. said that don't go.

I don't understand why the police in the Minneapolis airport are arresting people for what he did. It doesn't strike me as a crime, and you would think they could find something better to do.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
As this Lieutenant Colonel is the literally there on the ground facing the enemy, and you receive your information concerning that enemy from thousands of miles away from second hand sources that is filtered through a biased press or from left leaning blogs written in the US by people who don’t seem to care much for actual facts, your criticisms of his statements seem a little ripe.

Do you really think that Al Qaeda is the biggest problem we face in Iraq?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I find the notion that this was the "number one sentiment" expressed after 9/11 to be unsurpassingly bizarre. I personally don't know anyone who thinks that.

I have friends that are Jewish that think this.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't understand why the police in the Minneapolis airport are arresting people for what he did. It doesn't strike me as a crime, and you would think they could find something better to do.

2.2.2.2.

It is totally bizarre. I don't see a crime either. If he was looking to nail him for solicitation, he didn't even get close to the evidence needed. If homosexuality (Sodomy) is still a crime in this state, he still didn't even get close to establishing any sort of sodomy occurred or a solicitation for sodomy (if such a crime exists). .

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Why? There's two, separate intertwined issues here. First, he was arrested for disorderly conduct. Doesn't really matter whether it was gay or straight, although it happens that pick-ups in the men's room tend to be gay. If the cops had reports of sex going on behind the ticket counter, and investigated, and sebby was rolling there with the gate agent, why shouldn't he be arrested. It's sex in a public place.*

Second, there's the problem of a staunch gay-right opponent turning out to be gay. We've been over that ground before, but hte issue is the same.


*To be fair, there seems to be a decent argument that sticking your hand under a toilet, even if it's a sign for "wanna fuck", falls short of disorderly conduct sufficient to warrant an arrest. If sebby went up to an undercover cop and said "wanna fuck?" would that be disorderly?

whoa. wait a minute here, Atticus said he was playing footsie, GGG implies he asked for road head, and I gave him that- but no said there was any rolling around going on, I took it he simply asked the wrong guy and got turned in.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Do you really think that Al Qaeda is the biggest problem we face in Iraq?

Yes. The worst consquence for our failure in Iraq for US national security would be an Al Queda base in Iraq (or in a Sunni piece of Iraq).

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
whoa. wait a minute here, Atticus said he was playing footsie, GGG implies he asked for road head, and I gave him that- but no said there was any rolling around going on, I took it he simply asked the wrong guy and got turned in.

From the NYT:

"By Roll Call’s account, the officer said Mr. Craig had tapped his foot, in what the officer called a known signal to engage in lewd conduct, and had also brushed his foot against the investigator’s and waved his hand under the stall divider several times before the officer showed him his badge. After the arrest the senator denied any sexual intent, and in a statement issued Monday afternoon he attributed the matter to a misunderstanding."

Apparently there had been complaints about sexual activity in the bathrooms in question. I have no clue where the line is on where you can arrest someone. This seems stupid, considering what construction workers (or whatever) do w/r/t lewd gestures. I guess that doesn't actually ever result in sexual activity, though.


ETA from yahoo (or AP or Reuters): "Craig, 62, has faced rumors about his sexuality since the 1980s, but allegations that he had engaged in gay sex have never been substantiated. Craig has denied the assertions, which he calls ridiculous."

It doesn't seem like there are any allegations that airport security or the city police or whatever were trying to frame him/targeting him, so I am kind of intrigued. But, whatever. I don't think that voting against gay marriage is a sign that one is virulently anti-gay.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
Yes. The worst consquence for our failure in Iraq for US national security would be an Al Queda base in Iraq (or in a Sunni piece of Iraq).

It seems like there is now an al Qaeda problem in Iraq, but there was not one when we got there.

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
ummm, are you aware of an Oregon Senator the Dems ran out because of simply making suggestive comments (allegedly) to an intern? Are you aware that the only proof the Dems had to run him off was his diary that showed when he was younger he actually had sex with an intern? Do you know at all of hisotry? Clinton's impeachment was simply the crows coming home to roost.

Packwood? 1, there was more to it than that, and 2, it was really all about the box wine, anyway.

And who dictates highly personal and potentially damaging diary entries, anyway?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
Yes. The worst consquence for our failure in Iraq for US national security would be an Al Queda base in Iraq (or in a Sunni piece of Iraq).

Based on your second sentence, you don't seem to be responding to the question I was asking, which was going to whether the bigger problem for us in Iraq -- now, not in a hypothetical future -- is Al Qaeda or sectarian violence. Since Al Qaeda's aim in Iraq is to stir sectarian violence through high-profile attacks, the answer is pretty obvious. The fundamental problems right now are that there is no law and order or functioning government, and that the Sunnis, Shias and Kurds are trying to kill each other. Al Qaeda is making this worse.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
It seems like there is now an al Qaeda problem in Iraq, but there was not one when we got there.

Oh, the irony! We should invade Iraq to eliminate the foothold for terrorists.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
From the NYT:

"By Roll Call’s account, the officer said Mr. Craig had tapped his foot, in what the officer called a known signal to engage in lewd conduct, and had also brushed his foot against the investigator’s and waved his hand under the stall divider several times before the officer showed him his badge. After the arrest the senator denied any sexual intent, and in a statement issued Monday afternoon he attributed the matter to a misunderstanding."

Apparently there had been complaints about sexual activity in the bathrooms in question. I have no clue where the line is on where you can arrest someone. This seems stupid, considering what construction workers (or whatever) do w/r/t lewd gestures. I guess that doesn't actually ever result in sexual activity, though.


ETA from yahoo (or AP or Reuters): "Craig, 62, has faced rumors about his sexuality since the 1980s, but allegations that he had engaged in gay sex have never been substantiated. Craig has denied the assertions, which he calls ridiculous."

It doesn't seem like there are any allegations that airport security or the city police or whatever were trying to frame him/targeting him, so I am kind of intrigued. But, whatever. I don't think that voting against gay marriage is a sign that one is virulently anti-gay.

I've answered all this, other than to say i am surprised you think it okay for cops to arrest people for proposing sexual congress between consenting adults.