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[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
The Internet is making us stupid
Legal sage Cass Sunstein says democracy is the first casualty of political discourse in the digital age.


http://letters.salon.com/news/featur...view/?show=all read this, and try to follow it's simple suggestions

The article about Sunstein's book is here. What you linked to is a bunch of Salon readers' comments on his article.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Did you just advocate fowl bukkake?

The mind of a republican.

Look, I just report the news. I find it odd that all the sexual deviants who get elected seem to be bible-belt Republicans.

Has anyone else seen the move "The Naked Kiss"?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The article about Sunstein's book is here. What you linked to is a bunch of Salon readers' comments on his article.

thank you. the link was in what i posted though. It is sort of the phenom I wrote about WRT reading, say lgf every day. I have broken away from the constraints. Anyone else?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
For those of you who say that water-boarding isn't torture:

• As a former Master Instructor and Chief of Training at the US Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School (SERE) in San Diego, California I know the waterboard personally and intimately. SERE staff were required undergo the waterboard at its fullest. I was no exception. I have personally led, witnessed and supervised waterboarding of hundreds of people. It has been reported that both the Army and Navy SERE school’s interrogation manuals were used to form the interrogation techniques used by the US army and the CIA for its terror suspects. What was not mentioned in most articles was that SERE was designed to show how an evil totalitarian, enemy would use torture at the slightest whim. If this is the case, then waterboarding is unquestionably being used as torture technique.
  
  The carnival-like he-said, she-said of the legality of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques has become a form of doublespeak worthy of Catch-22. Having been subjected to them all, I know these techniques, if in fact they are actually being used, are not dangerous when applied in training for short periods. However, when performed with even moderate intensity over an extended time on an unsuspecting prisoner – it is torture, without doubt. Couple that with waterboarding and the entire medley not only “shock the conscience” as the statute forbids -it would terrify you. Most people can not stand to watch a high intensity kinetic interrogation. One has to overcome basic human decency to endure watching or causing the effects. The brutality would force you into a personal moral dilemma between humanity and hatred. It would leave you to question the meaning of what it is to be an American.

via Volokh Conspirator Jonathan Adler

Misinformation about purported chemical weapons links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda in Colin Powell's speech to the UN was obtained by tortured following rendition to Egypt:

• In a CIA sub-station close to al Libi's jail cell, the CIA's "debriefers," who had been talking to al Libi for days after his return from Cairo, were typing out a series of operational cables to be sent Feb. 4 and Feb. 5 to the CIA Headquarters in Langley, Va. In the view of some insiders, these cables provide the "smoking gun" on the whole rendition program -- a convincing account of how the rendition program was, they say, illegally sending prisoners into the hands of torturers.
  
  Under torture after his rendition to Egypt, al Libi had provided a confession of how Saddam Hussein had been training al Qaeda in chemical weapons. This evidence was used by Colin Powell at the United Nations a year earlier (February 2003) to justify the war in Iraq. ("I can trace the story of a senior terrorist operative telling how Iraq provided training in these [chemical and biological] weapons to al Qaeda," Powell said. "Fortunately, this operative is now detained, and he has told his story.")
  
  But now, hearing how the information was obtained, the CIA was soon to retract all this intelligence. A Feb. 5 cable records that al Libi was told by a "foreign government service" (Egypt) that: "the next topic was al-Qa'ida's connections with Iraq...This was a subject about which he said he knew nothing and had difficulty even coming up with a story."
  
  Al Libi indicated that his interrogators did not like his responses and then "placed him in a small box approximately 50cm X 50cm [20 inches x 20 inches]." He claimed he was held in the box for approximately 17 hours. When he was let out of the box, al Libi claims that he was given a last opportunity to "tell the truth." When al Libi did not satisfy the interrogator, al Libi claimed that "he was knocked over with an arm thrust across his chest and he fell on his back." Al Libi told CIA debriefers that he then "was punched for 15 minutes." (Sourced to CIA cable, Feb. 5, 2004).
  
  Here was a cable then that informed Washington that one of the key pieces of evidence for the Iraq war -- the al Qaeda/Iraq link -- was not only false but extracted by effectively burying a prisoner alive.

ABC News. But we've got to keep torture legal in case we ever find someone who knows where there's a nuclear bomb about to go off in Manhattan!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
thank you. the link was in what i posted though. It is sort of the phenom I wrote about WRT reading, say lgf every day. I have broken away from the constraints. Anyone else?

I like this board because I know I will encounter people with whom I disagree.

eta: My web-browsing habits similarly include sites with a variety of views, particularly including people who do a good job of aggregating stories from a range of places, and generally not including sites like Kos or LGF with a partisan raison d'etre.

[SlaveNoMore]

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Look, I just report the news. I find it odd that all the sexual deviants who get elected seem to be bible-belt Republicans.

I didn't realize that South Dakota and Idaho were in the so-called Bible Belt.

Or is this some strange side-effect of "global warming"?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I didn't realize that South Dakota and Idaho were in the so-called Bible Belt.

Or is this some strange side-effect of "global warming"?

I think from his ivory tower, all of flyover land is the bible belt.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
eta: My web-browsing habits similarly include sites with a variety of views,

Poll: is this the most unbelievable statement ever on the PB?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I didn't realize that South Dakota and Idaho were in the so-called Bible Belt.

Or is this some strange side-effect of "global warming"?

I stand corrected.

I find it odd that all the sexual deviants who get elected seem to be mainstream Republicans.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I stand corrected.

I find it odd that all the sexual deviants who get elected seem to be mainstream Republicans.

Who are the deviants? The guy who liked pageboys matches up favorably with Barney Frank. Larry Craig isn't deviant (He is not a deviant and has never been a deviant). He's gay, and closeted, so looks for sex where lots of closeted gay people do--anonymously in bathrooms. If you want to call that deviant, go ahead, but I suspect that's a pissing match few democrats would want to get in.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Who are the deviants? The guy who liked pageboys matches up favorably with Barney Frank. Larry Craig isn't deviant (He is not a deviant and has never been a deviant). He's gay, and closeted, so looks for sex where lots of closeted gay people do--anonymously in bathrooms. If you want to call that deviant, go ahead, but I suspect that's a pissing match few democrats would want to get in.

Go back. Click the link. Start there.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Go back. Click the link. Start there.

If he was in his early 20s and not morbidly obese, I don't believe you would be calling him deviant. The most appalling thing about what he did was that he was abusing foster kids entrusted to him, but that doesn't make him deviant.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Go back. Click the link. Start there.

I did. It sort of ends there. Or at least somewhere around slave's follow-up post.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If he was in his early 20s and not morbidly obese, I don't believe you would be calling him deviant. The most appalling thing about what he did was that he was abusing foster kids entrusted to him, but that doesn't make him deviant.

Wanting to do gyno-type exams on women/girls significantly younger, when he's kind of a father figure, is not an entirely harmless kink. Late 40s with 16-y-os?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Wanting to do gyno-type exams on women/girls significantly younger, when he's kind of a father figure, is not an entirely harmless kink. Late 40s with 16-y-os?

Look at him. Do you think it's a kink? Or the fact that a guy with his looks is getting some play only through major deception of innocents too unaware to figure out the ploy?