Objectively intelligent.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

There are 5 people here.

I'm old enough to remember when TM used to be around.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I'm old enough to remember when TM used to be around.

Old enough to remember when TM was round? Hell, i remember when he was thin.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Antibody test came back negative. We have a matter where both P and D are outside Milan. We had several people there in February. Was pretty certain I had. We do have employees that were confirmed cases, so was thinking/hoping it had gotten around a bit more.

If it was positive, could it have told you if you're immune? Do we have a working theory of how much antibody you need to be immune? Can the test tell you how much?

I'm seeing/hearing a lot of assumption that an antibody positive necessarily means immunity, but also think I saw a headline saying only a small fraction of positive antibody people have immunity.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

If it was positive, could it have told you if you're immune? Do we have a working theory of how much antibody you need to be immune? Can the test tell you how much?

I'm seeing/hearing a lot of assumption that an antibody positive necessarily means immunity, but also think I saw a headline saying only a small fraction of positive antibody people have immunity.

I don't know. I'm planning on listening to medical people if I do get it, and what having had it means. But honestly, if having had it once doesn't mean you cannot get it again, world is over. Might as well open back up now.

[Hank Chinaski]

Adder, serious question- I think Mn shut down similar to our timeline but you guys are still spiking. Are you getting less than strong co-operation, or maybe you just are ramping up testing?

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Adder

If it was positive, could it have told you if you're immune? Do we have a working theory of how much antibody you need to be immune? Can the test tell you how much?

I'm seeing/hearing a lot of assumption that an antibody positive necessarily means immunity, but also think I saw a headline saying only a small fraction of positive antibody people have immunity.

The general thought (based on experience with other coronaviruses) is antibodies confer immunity in this one. What titer level prevents getting it, if at all and for how long every doctor will say they have no fucking idea.

In the beginning they were taking anyone who had a titer level of over 320 for plasma donations, then they switched to 960 and above.

Now they are saying they are taking plasma donations within the 1st month of recovery.

[Replaced_Texan]

Speaking of titers, in 2013, I had some titers drawn because I was going back to school to finish my masters (in public health) and had no idea where my childhood vaccination records were. Turned out I'd lost immunity to rubella and my measles titer was low. I didn't get the MMR then because I was trying to get pregnant at the time (and did get pregnant about two months later) and they use live vaccine.

Fast forward to 2019, when there was a measles outbreak that spread all over. I get the MMR vaccine.

This study about the MMR vaccine is pretty interesting. In a story about the study, they talk a little about American Samoa.

The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reported that as of January 10, 2020, 82 percent of the population of American Samoa had been immunized with the MMR vaccine in response to a 2019 measles outbreak. The U.S. Department of the Interior provided funding to immunize the remaining eighteen percent of the population. The New York Times reported on May 6, 2020 that not only has American Samoa not had any COVID-19 deaths, it hasn’t had any COVID-19 cases at all.

I knew that there is an interest in the BCG vaccine as a potential bridge to lessen the effect of the coronavirus, but I didn't realize that MMR was also immunity boosting. If it turns out that vaccines are not only good for combating specific bugs but also are just all around good immunity boosters, I'm going to be even more pissed off at the anti-vaxxers than I already am.

BCG, interestingly enough, has been the most used vaccine in the world, but we don't use it here in the US. I guess we've never had a TB problem that healthcare officials felt warranted vaccination. They are studying it at Texas A&M with relation to Covid, so we'll see what happens.

I'm getting my coronavirus antibody test on Monday through the research study at my work. I'm very curious about the results on that one.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Speaking of titers, in 2013, I had some titers drawn because I was going back to school to finish my masters (in public health) and had no idea where my childhood vaccination records were. Turned out I'd lost immunity to rubella and my measles titer was low. I didn't get the MMR then because I was trying to get pregnant at the time (and did get pregnant about two months later) and they use live vaccine.

Fast forward to 2019, when there was a measles outbreak that spread all over. I get the MMR vaccine.

This study about the MMR vaccine is pretty interesting. In a story about the study, they talk a little about American Samoa.



I knew that there is an interest in the BCG vaccine as a potential bridge to lessen the effect of the coronavirus, but I didn't realize that MMR was also immunity boosting. If it turns out that vaccines are not only good for combating specific bugs but also are just all around good immunity boosters, I'm going to be even more pissed off at the anti-vaxxers than I already am.

BCG, interestingly enough, has been the most used vaccine in the world, but we don't use it here in the US. I guess we've never had a TB problem that healthcare officials felt warranted vaccination. They are studying it at Texas A&M with relation to Covid, so we'll see what happens.

I'm getting my coronavirus antibody test on Monday through the research study at my work. I'm very curious about the results on that one.

There are similar thoughts with regard to Vitamin D and Niacin.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Speaking of titers, in 2013, I had some titers drawn because I was going back to school to finish my masters (in public health) and had no idea where my childhood vaccination records were. Turned out I'd lost immunity to rubella and my measles titer was low. I didn't get the MMR then because I was trying to get pregnant at the time (and did get pregnant about two months later) and they use live vaccine.

Fast forward to 2019, when there was a measles outbreak that spread all over. I get the MMR vaccine.

This study about the MMR vaccine is pretty interesting. In a story about the study, they talk a little about American Samoa.



I knew that there is an interest in the BCG vaccine as a potential bridge to lessen the effect of the coronavirus, but I didn't realize that MMR was also immunity boosting. If it turns out that vaccines are not only good for combating specific bugs but also are just all around good immunity boosters, I'm going to be even more pissed off at the anti-vaxxers than I already am.

BCG, interestingly enough, has been the most used vaccine in the world, but we don't use it here in the US. I guess we've never had a TB problem that healthcare officials felt warranted vaccination. They are studying it at Texas A&M with relation to Covid, so we'll see what happens.

I'm getting my coronavirus antibody test on Monday through the research study at my work. I'm very curious about the results on that one.

I will say the MMR study doesn't appear to be peer reviewed, and the America Samoa data is more likely due to the pretty awesome job they did in shutting things down quickly than the measles vaccine.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Adder, serious question- I think Mn shut down similar to our timeline but you guys are still spiking. Are you getting less than strong co-operation, or maybe you just are ramping up testing?

I don't know, but maybe it's the meat packing plants? Definitely have been ramping up testing too.

But our stay at home order is ending (with some replacement restrictions) on Sunday and the governor is being very clear that he's managing hospital capacity, not trying to prevent infections. That seems like a mistake to me, but maybe the epidemiologists have told him that we're beyond where we had a chance to test, trace and isolate our way to lower caseloads.

There's also some suspicion that he didn't think the MN GOP would pass a pending bonding bill if he didn't ease up.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I will say the MMR study doesn't appear to be peer reviewed, and the America Samoa data is more likely due to the pretty awesome job they did in shutting things down quickly than the measles vaccine.

There's something to be said for island living during a pandemic...

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Adder

There's something to be said for island living during a pandemic...

So long as you can get off if shit goes sideways.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

James Galbraith, Professor of government at the University of Texas:

There will be a vast tangle of unpaid debts that cannot be cleared, and—what is different from 2008 and 2009—the model of foreclosures, evictions, and repossessions to deal with them is going to be absolutely unacceptable. People sheltering at home without income are in no way responsible for their circumstances and will refuse to accept the terms of those contracts. So the contracts will have to be suspended, and the debts cleared away, or there will be a confrontation on a vast scale. This is similar to the farm foreclosure confrontations of the 1890s and 1930s in this country, but on a much larger scale, and in many cases urban and suburban. The right model is that of the treatment of inter-allied war debts after World War II: They were canceled, because dealing with the common enemy was a common effort. So the whole financial system will have to be reset. This is not an ideological point but a practical necessity for reestablishing a functioning economic system.

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2...r-coronavirus/

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

James Galbraith, Professor of government at the University of Texas:

There will be a vast tangle of unpaid debts that cannot be cleared, and—what is different from 2008 and 2009—the model of foreclosures, evictions, and repossessions to deal with them is going to be absolutely unacceptable. People sheltering at home without income are in no way responsible for their circumstances and will refuse to accept the terms of those contracts. So the contracts will have to be suspended, and the debts cleared away, or there will be a confrontation on a vast scale. This is similar to the farm foreclosure confrontations of the 1890s and 1930s in this country, but on a much larger scale, and in many cases urban and suburban. The right model is that of the treatment of inter-allied war debts after World War II: They were canceled, because dealing with the common enemy was a common effort. So the whole financial system will have to be reset. This is not an ideological point but a practical necessity for reestablishing a functioning economic system.

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2...r-coronavirus/

This stuff lasts for generations. Near our ranch, there's a family that owns tons of the land around us. The family ran the general store back in the 20s. The land was acquired as payment for debt to the store during the Depression.

Fast forward 90 years, and the shale boom hits. Oil wells start popping up all over the county. And back in the 20s, no one knew to hold on to mineral rights. So now this family is raking it in (they started drilling last year, before the nose dive in oil prices).

I like the family. Nice people. They do good for the community. But their good fortune is just that: being in the right place at the right time.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

James Galbraith, Professor of government at the University of Texas:

There will be a vast tangle of unpaid debts that cannot be cleared, and—what is different from 2008 and 2009—the model of foreclosures, evictions, and repossessions to deal with them is going to be absolutely unacceptable. People sheltering at home without income are in no way responsible for their circumstances and will refuse to accept the terms of those contracts. So the contracts will have to be suspended, and the debts cleared away, or there will be a confrontation on a vast scale. This is similar to the farm foreclosure confrontations of the 1890s and 1930s in this country, but on a much larger scale, and in many cases urban and suburban. The right model is that of the treatment of inter-allied war debts after World War II: They were canceled, because dealing with the common enemy was a common effort. So the whole financial system will have to be reset. This is not an ideological point but a practical necessity for reestablishing a functioning economic system.

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2...r-coronavirus/

tl;dr: Icky you're paying your mortgage for nothing.