Objectively intelligent.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Executive summary?

https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/19/...erna-vaccines/ They are pretty much the same, minor differences. I can't copy the graphic I was talking about.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

If they are effective, when should we start seeing an obvious statistical effect?

IDK. My understanding is that the vaccine does not prevent one from getting sick or getting others sick, only from getting an acute case. So you would expect to see the effect in the mortality rate.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

IDK. My understanding is that the vaccine does not prevent one from getting sick or getting others sick, only from getting an acute case. So you would expect to see the effect in the mortality rate.

Your understanding is partially wrong. It does generally, prevent the vaccinated from getting sick, once it kicks in.

The Pfizer vaccine showed efficacy of 95% at preventing symptomatic Covid infection, measured starting from seven days after the second dose was administered.

And

The Moderna vaccine was 94.1% effective at preventing symptomatic Covid-19, measured starting from 14 days after the second dose.

But you are correct in that

It’s not yet known if either prevents asymptomatic infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Your understanding is partially wrong. It does generally, prevent the vaccinated from getting sick, once it kicks in.

My wife, who works on a unit caring for COVID patients at a teaching hospital, was specifically told otherwise when she was vaccinated. Maybe the issue is about what "symptomatic" means?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Wow, i thought the airlines were scary squeaky clean.

Probably got it at the training center, not on a plane.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

IDK. My understanding is that the vaccine does not prevent one from getting sick or getting others sick, only from getting an acute case.

I don't think that's correct. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought it was the case that they'd only documented that they prevent acute cases and not that they prevent infection or transmission. They would be expected to do so, but they can't claim that without having established it.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

I don't think that's correct. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought it was the case that they'd only documented that they prevent acute cases and not that they prevent infection or transmission. They would be expected to do so, but they can't claim that without having established it.

Should I believe what I want to hear from a friend on social media, or what the medical experts at the hospital say? Hard to say.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...t-15814131.php

Houston has it figured out - https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-di...of-most-people

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Should I believe what I want to hear from a friend on social media, or what the medical experts at the hospital say? Hard to say.

Then why would Fauci keep talking about herd immunity?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Then why would Fauci keep talking about herd immunity?

I agree with you that some of what Fauci has been saying lately seems to suggest that people who are vaccinated won't infect others. But I also know that the medical professionals at a teaching hospital who gave Ms. Slothrop the vaccine specifically told her that it would not prevent her from infecting other people, like me and our children.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Getting the vaccine tomorrow!

My wife just got it.

She was advised she can still pass on the virus and so mask wearing remains a necessity.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

https://www.degruyter.com/view/journ...-2020-0045.xml

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

My wife, who works on a unit caring for COVID patients at a teaching hospital, was specifically told otherwise when she was vaccinated. Maybe the issue is about what "symptomatic" means?

We are being sloppy in our definitions. My understanding is the same as yours. There is a 95% chance you won't get sick/symptomatic 9-10 days after the second dose, from what I have read. It is unknown whether you can get and transmit the virus anyway and you CAN get the virus and sick before 9-10 days after the 2d dose and there are cases where people have come down with symptomatic virus days after getting the first dose. So mask wearing continues for months, I think we are both saying.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

So I've an FB friend who is an ER doc in TCOTU. She posted a comparison of the two vaccines. I'm thinking few people will have a choice, right?

Probably later down the line people might have a choice. I got Moderna because that's what we had at work. My parents also got Moderna because that's what was available at the local hospital.

I also was part of making the matrix at work. Residents, docs, and nurses definitely went before the privacy officer/senior legal officer. We had 3000 doses, and many of our front line people got their vaccines two weeks ago through the hospitals that they staff.

BTW, if you have parents in rural areas, get them to call the hospitals and see if they can get on a wait-list for unused vaccine. That's how my parents were able to get some on Wednesday. Some of the smaller communities got more than enough for their staff plus some.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

My wife just got it.

She was advised she can still pass on the virus and so mask wearing remains a necessity.

We were told that as well.

The fact sheet I was given for Moderna says: In an ongoing clinical trail, the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine has been shown to prevent COVID-19 following 2 doses given 1 month apart. The duration of protection against COVID-19 is currently unknown.

ETA: And this is their FAQ regarding masks and social distancing after second dose: https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vac...ocial-distance