Politics: A new beginning

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski It must piss these people off to have to put up with the crap. Its been going on for months, then once the primary is over no one gives a shit about NH, even when they're president.

I think NH is the Paigow of states. When it comes to attention, it's all good.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I say once again: an interesting combination of ignorance and arrogance.

Yeah but, if you saw me in person, you would do me.

Speaking of "doing," WTF with this site:

www.swydm.com*

*I know this is the wrong board for that site, but I would have to click my mouse at least 2 more times to get to the FB and I am in no mood for mouse clicking

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I am now over 1000 posts. When I look back at my body of work, I realize I could have culled a good number of them; but I am proud of some.
Most notably, yesterday, I penned my best post, to little acclaim.

http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/sho...4197#post64197

Sometimes, i know the pain Van Gogh felt......

I would be more than happy to acclaim you if I knew what you were saying in that post. I think that must have been one of those "inside jokes" I keep hearing about.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I doubt Club has left. I suspect he is pouting, like me. I want the record to reflect that I grew up first. And that when it comes to snaps, he has a weak-sauce game.

Yes, this is very grown-up.

[The Larry Davis Experience]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I am now over 1000 posts. When I look back at my body of work, I realize I could have culled a good number of them; but I am proud of some.
Most notably, yesterday, I penned my best post, to little acclaim.

http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/sho...4197#post64197

Sometimes, i know the pain Van Gogh felt......

If you save the excellent Godfather refs for after 9 am pacific time I for one will shower you with praise. Although that doesn't seem to be what you have linked to as your best post.

Anybody catch Dean on Letterman last night? I don't usually watch but I was up late reading the Daily Worker and flipped it on just in time to see Dean's mug. I was impressed, if only because the material was reasonably amusing and because Dean doesn't usually seem to me to be someone that can make fun of himself. Three thoughts:

1) If he's trying to reach out to the people who were truly put off by his Iowa antics, shouldn't he have been on Leno? (This point may be merely academic if Leno signed a GOP loyalty oath once he became the official late night mouthpiece of Schwarzenegger)

2) I wonder if someone running damage control in Dean's camp was saying, "OK, what would Clinton do here? Something hip, but something that will also reach out to the common man. Does anyone have Arsenio's number....maybe we can book something with him..."

3) Listening to Letterman, Shaffer and Matthew Broderick talk shop about parenting makes me long for Bilmore's Demerol. Oh wait, that's not political. I guess this is a bonus thought, for all of my fans out there.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Frankly, I am already horified at a couple of things: (1) the way people on both sides have moved to the extreme, so that many anti-choice people can't tolerate abortion under any circumstance while many pro-choice people can advocate for late term partial birth abortions in almost any circumstance --

I am always left scratching, inter alia my head when I hear (or in this case read) people say things like that. Either you believe the fetus is a human being or you don't. There is no middle ground, hence the reason that people are in your words "extreme" about this issue. If you believe the fetus is a human being, you cannot tolerate abortion except to save the mother's life. If you don't, then the mother's right to control her own body is preeminent.

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
the good part of Roe v. Wade was that it acknowledged that their are differences, from differences in timing on, that must be dealt with in some way;

RvW split the baby (no pun intended). And not in a good way.

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
the number of people who do seem to think of abortion as just another form of birth control; it's not, it is qualitatively different from a little pill that prevents growth beyond an embryo.

So are you saying that taking "a little pill that prevents growth beyond an embryo" is NOT an abortion? Are you talking about contraceptive pills or an RU486-type pill? 'Cuz if it is RU486, that's an abortion.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Yes, this is very grown-up.

Club! Good to have you back. I forgive you.

Wanna talk about abortion?

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by bilmore
But, more and more, I think it's a tenuous line we draw with such imprecise and value-laden explanations. I can't help but wonder if, in two hundred years, the verdict is again going to be "it was monstrous, and wrong", and our heirs will be learning in school about the evils that our generations inflicted, and speaking of NARAL the way we speak of the Klan.

All this is fine, but we're scratching underneath the thin veneer of states' rights, aren't we?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Club! Good to have you back. I forgive you.

Wanna talk about abortion?

I thought I was on ignore?

I'm happy to talk about abortion, but first you'll have to tell me what facets I can and cannot talk about.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience
Dean doesn't usually seem to me to be someone that can make fun of himself.

He isn't. Had he any other choice, he would have never done it.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I thought I was on ignore?

I am pretty sure that ignore is only something the FB-exclusive crowd does. Those of us who cross post on Politics and the FB don't use ignore. At least not on each other. But I could be wrong.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
If you believe the fetus is a human being, you cannot tolerate abortion except to save the mother's life.

Not so. There are all sorts of situations in which we think that it is justifiable to take a human life even though another's life is not at risk. To take just one example, the conservatives on this board have been arguing that we were justified in killing Iraqi civilians in a war to bring them a better form of government.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
All this is fine, but we're scratching underneath the thin veneer of states' rights, aren't we?

Aside from the fact that we're talking (I think) about two separate issues, I'm not sure what you mean here.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Not so. There are all sorts of situations in which we think that it is justifiable to take a human life even though another's life is not at risk. To take just one example, the conservatives on this board have been arguing that we were justified in killing Iraqi civilians in a war to bring them a better form of government.

As additional support for your proposition, I would favor the killing of reality TV contestants.

Live.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Not so. There are all sorts of situations in which we think that it is justifiable to take a human life even though another's life is not at risk. To take just one example, the conservatives on this board have been arguing that we were justified in killing Iraqi civilians in a war to bring them a better form of government.

The Iraqi civilian deaths were unintentional deaths. Everything was done to prevent these deaths. An abortion is an intentional death. The death of the fetus is the whole point of the abortion if I am understanding the procedure correctly. And I think I am.

I think the areas that those who believe the fetus is a human being have the most difficulty with are in the case of rape and severe birth defects.