Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
The FCC enforces restrictions on prurient content because the people, in their wisdom, have decided that some sorts of things ought not be aired, even if market forces say otherwise.

I realize that, but I think this is outdated, given cable TV. Is there really a difference between programs shown via over the air and cable/satellite? I don't see the pay/free distinction.

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop Suppose, though, that things were otherwise. As a matter of law, anything goes. But CBS tells people that it's not going to show naked breasts on its programming. So people who are opposed to that sort of thing tune in, and let their kids watch. And then they see more than they want to. Tort law doesn't really help you at that point. I suppose you think that viewers will retaliate against the advertisers, or the network, but, if it's an accident, why? Unclear that the market will produce optimum results in that situation.

I don't see what sort of compensible harm anybody has suffered by viewing a naked boob for 1/2 a second.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
What about Sharpton, who still got only 10% in SC, despite campaigning there all week. Or is he just in it for the free food?

Burger, don't you know is not PC to say anything bad about Sharpton?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I realize that, but I think this is outdated, given cable TV. Is there really a difference between programs shown via over the air and cable/satellite? I don't see the pay/free distinction.

I don't see what sort of compensible harm anybody has suffered by viewing a naked boob for 1/2 a second.

On both points, lots of people disagree with you. You libertarians are in the wilderness on these issues.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Burger, don't you know is not PC to say anything bad about Sharpton?

I thought he was looking a lot slimmer. Is it just that he's wearing business suits instead of track suits? Hmmm. Maybe this should be a FB cross-post.

BTW, this PC schtick of yours is tired, tired, tired.

[andViolins]

Originally posted by bilmore
You miss the point. I meant unknowing in the minds of the ultimate actors, not in the upstreamers. If JT actually merely screwed up and grabbed too hard, the penalty overall should be lower than if JT and JJ planned it all along.

USA Today has an article about the nipple shield (now I know what the thing is called) that Ms. Jackson was wearing.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/...-jewelry_x.htm

This paragraph was interesting:

"You wouldn't want to wear one of those while you were dancing with a tight outfit," says Drew Michael, CEO of Tribalectic.com, a body piercing Web site. "It would be quite uncomfortable, which makes me believe (her exposure) wasn't quite an accident."


aV

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
You libertarians are in the wilderness on these issues.

By wilderness, you mean the place that because only principled people go to, thus leaving it unspoiled?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
By wilderness, you mean the place that because only principled people go to, thus leaving it unspoiled?

For whatever reason, no one else is there.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
For whatever reason, no one else is there.

On the boob, you may be right. (although put clubbie's mom's tits on tv, and his position might change). But on OTA/Cable distinction, I'm guessing the networks have already built their sound stages in that wilderness. They just are forced to pay (in fines) for what they got for free (their licenses).

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Club's point is why should the government be involved at all? For those of you who don't believe in the efficiency of markets, take a look at the myriad of reports as to how many angry calls/letters CBS received as a result of this.

So, you don't agree that we need government regulation of the airwaves? My, my.

NBC is bought by the Playboy Channel, and we have nekkid videos on Channel 5 in prime-time.

Don't worry, the market will take care of it! It is the responsibility of the parents to police their child's viewing habits.

P.S. It is an outlying case where angry calls and letters make much difference.

S_A_M

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
BTW, this PC schtick of yours is tired, tired, tired.

Yes, but true, true, true. Seriously, why the hell does he get any coverage? Why is he not marginalized in the media like a David Duke?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
By wilderness, you mean the place that because only principled people go to, thus leaving it unspoiled?

I'm picturing that certain little town in Atlas Shrugged . . .

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
So, you don't agree that we need government regulation of the airwaves? My, my.

NBC is bought by the Playboy Channel, and we have nekkid videos on Channel 5 in prime-time.

Don't worry, the market will take care of it! It is the responsibility of the parents to police their child's viewing habits.

P.S. It is an outlying case where angry calls and letters make much difference.

S_A_M

I don't agree.

Wuhu!

Yes.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man


NBC is bought by the Playboy Channel, and we have nekkid videos on Channel 5 in prime-time.

Don't worry, the market will take care of it! It is the responsibility of the parents to police their child's viewing habits.

We tolerate the frequent use of "ass" and "bitch" during friends. Why bother with the distinctions.

Wasn't that the basis for the V-chip's inclusion in every television set? If the parents need not police viewing, why do we allow any household with kids to purchase HBO? It seems like you're calling for the same (censorship) rules to apply to all television, whether OTA or cable.

Club's question related to the distinction between the two: what is it about broadcast TV that subjects it to more stringent rules, esp. when 65% of america has some pay tv service, and 97% of america could have that service? Sure, broadcasters got licenses to broadcast. But that doesn't justify higher standards (or lower standards on cable), which is also regualted by the FCC. If the goal is to protect kids, then any broadcast shoudl be subject to the same rules.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Seriously, why the hell does he get any coverage? Why is he not marginalized in the media like a David Duke?

• I think the media, instead of attacking Sharpton immediately on his past transgressions, wanted to see if he would become the heir to Jesse Jackson as the predominant leader in the African-American community.
• He gets coverage because he's irreverent and can be amusing without the risk of being taken seriously, like Dean was 12 months ago.
• He apparently has a lifetime pass to appear on Bill Mahrer's HBO show.
• IMO, he doesn't get any meaningful coverage anyway.
• The media assumes he'll be gone after this week.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I don't see what sort of compensible harm anybody has suffered by viewing a naked boob for 1/2 a second.

It was an ugly boob. I've had loss of consortium issues ever since.