Fashion Board 2-3-04 to 3-5-04

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
That does not even merit an E for effort. And you failed to catch paigow's McDonald's ad campaign reference. Did you skip lunch? Get someone to bring you some of those yummy cheesy crackers with peanut butter.

Are you going to edit this post now that you have caught up? This is the type of thing I was hoping those sunglasses would avoid. Well, this and the last 38 things you posted.

TM

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Are you going to edit this post now that you have caught up? This is the type of thing I was hoping those sunglasses would avoid. Well, this and the last 38 things you posted.

TM

Oh, fine.*

*Translation: I am pulling a paigow or whatever and going off in a huff (but without saying I'm gone forever, because that would be a big lie).

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I also hate interminable conference calls.

better than interminable conference calls in the partner's office.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by spookyfish
Okay, this has always bothered me, and I've always wanted to pose this question to someone who had an actual anti-Jewish bias sincerely based upon this theory.

It's a religious question - someone call Atticus.

Seems to me that Christians believe that there can be no salvation without the Christ as the vessel of that salvation.

Generally yes, but very strictly speaking no. For instance, after Christ's death and prior to his resurection, he harrowed hell, which meant releasing the souls of virtuous pagans (Moses, the prophets, etc.) who were entirely holy and served God but had the misfortune to die before his teachings and resurection. No person could be saved before Christ's death made the cleansing of original sin possible, so, until that happened, everyone, no matter how holy or virtuous, went to hell to await the resurection.

Also, there is a long tradition that, sometimes, a pagan who lived after Christ, but did not know of his teachings, but nevertheless lived his life in an entirely virtuous manner, might be saved through the intercession of Christians recognizing his righteousness. This is more folk tradition than doctrinal, but I think there are a number of saints whose miracles relate to the saving of virtuous pagans.

Anyone who has heard of Christ and not converted is pretty much damned, though - denying Christ is a biggie, unless you repent.

If you have enough bible drilled in your head, even if it's just New Testament, Jesus' actions were referred to numerous times in numerous ways as the fulfillment of prophecy or God's will.

Yup. Actually, most of the bad stuff that happens, from the death of Christ to you grandma's alzheimers to the Fall itself is in fulfillment of God's will and God's plan.

"Ne hadde the appil take ben, the appil taken ben,
Ne hadde never our lady a ben hevene qwen.
Blyssid be the tyme that appil take was,
Therfore we mown syngyn, "Deo Gracias!"

So, from that point of view, it's all good.

Bottom line is, Christians believe that he had to die, and die a painful and horrible death for the sake of all who believe.

Yes.

If a Christian actually believes that the Jews were solely responsible for the death of Jesus, shouldn't they be thanking them?

Yes, but that isn't inconsistent with considering them (or the Romans, or Eve, or whomever) culpable for the evil of their actions. Predestination does not eliminate free will.

[Fugee]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
So, do they market the Idols as a package for concerts or something?

Do they really try to influence the voting this way?

They had a special, CDs and tour with the top 8 or so finalists from Idol 2 so they do market groups that way. I haven't noticed a demographic to the judges comments other than youth oriented. They like some teen singers whose voices aren't quite matured and it may be because having a great voice isn't as necessary in the pop world as image (e.g. Britney).

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
My wife and I would like a stay-at-home wife, too. With both of us working, the thought of having someone at home cooking and cleaning and ironing and taking care of kids and having the energy to do the sex brings a twinkle to our eyes, even when the rest of us is melting across the sofa in the early evening like a Dali painting. But we both work way to much to meet people -- maybe one of us might meet someone, but how are we both going to meet someone? The one bright side is, living in the Bay Area, we have high hopes that our municipal government will soon recognize this sort of relationship. The way things are going, how could they not?

I am about to climb off the hamster wheel of biglaw life and become a stay at home wife. I have already made clear my intention not to clean or iron. I will cook. I will take care of the kid. I will have the energy. I will also do Pilates, get my toes done, and eventually get Botox.

Life is good. I have become the gold-digger I aspired to be.

[dtb]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
...releasing the souls of virtuous pagans (Moses, the prophets, etc.) who were entirely holy and served God but had the misfortune to die before his teachings and resurection

Moses, a pagan? Who knew?!?

[str8outavannuys]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
The beta blockers don't seem to be working. How about some BluBlockers?



TM

Just wanted y'all to know that this post made me spit up my Diet Dr. Pepper (first of the day! And it's already 10:50) all over my desk. Where can a player get some BluBlockers in this year 2004?

And another thanks to TM; I am now a huge Grey Album fan. I bought a copy on eBay so that I could have it on CD.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Yes, but that isn't inconsistent with considering them (or the Romans, or Eve, or whomever) culpable for the evil of their actions. Predestination does not eliminate free will.

Okay, so I guess it makes just as much sense to hate the Eye-talians now.

(Fucking hank.)

[str8outavannuys]

Originally posted by taxwonk
You really need to set your way back machine to the 50's for that fantasy.

Before posting this, you should have logged in as your Jimmy James sock.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Yes, but that isn't inconsistent with considering them (or the Romans, or Eve, or whomever) culpable for the evil of their actions.

Concur. The "necessity" of an action does not purify it the way it does in the law. Jesus was fulfilling his telos, but that doesn't mean the instrumentalities of his death are equally deserving of thanks. Christian doctrine frowns on doing good things with bad intentions.

The important thing to remember is that the Gospels were written in the decades after the crucifixion and are deeply political documents (though more than just that to those who believe they were divinely inspired). John is especially anti-semitic because it was written between C.E. 70 and 120 by a community of former Jews who had been expelled from their local synagogue for being Jesus freaks. So they wrote a Gospel that was particularly hard on the Jews.* It's also widely believed that Pilate gets off relatively easy in all of the Gospels because Christians didn't want to attract negative attention from their Roman overlords. So they blamed the Jews and started a grand and ignoble tradition of anti-semitism. Anger and blame for the crucifixion is centuries older than the theology that eventually called it "necessary."

*This is obviously a theory with whom some disagree, but non-wingnut scholars, including Catholics, find it credible. The seminal work was done by a Sulpician priest, Raymond Brown, in this book.

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
Just wanted y'all to know that this post made me spit up my Diet Dr. Pepper (first of the day! And it's already 10:50) all over my desk. Where can a player get some BluBlockers in this year 2004?

And another thanks to TM; I am now a huge Grey Album fan. I bought a copy on eBay so that I could have it on CD.

Ugh, cancel my order. The Hot TOpix crowd is already on the bus.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by dtb
Moses, a pagan? Who knew?!?

Mrs. Moses, presumably. But we don't hear too much about her.

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Concur. The "necessity" of an action does not purify it the way it does in the law. Jesus was fulfilling his telos, but that doesn't mean the instrumentalities of his death are equally deserving of thanks. Christian doctrine frowns on doing good things with bad intentions.

The important thing to remember is that the Gospels were written in the decades after the crucifixion and are deeply political documents (though more than just that to those who believe they were divinely inspired). John is especially anti-semitic because it was written between C.E. 70 and 120 by a community of former Jews who had been expelled from their local synagogue for being Jesus freaks. So they wrote a Gospel that was particularly hard on the Jews.* It's also widely believed that Pilate gets off relatively easy in all of the Gospels because Christians didn't want to attract negative attention from their Roman overlords. So they blamed the Jews and started a grand and ignoble tradition of anti-semitism. Anger and blame for the crucifixion is centuries older than the theology that eventually called it "necessary."

*This is obviously a theory with whom some disagree, but non-wingnut scholars, including Catholics, find it credible. The seminal work was done by a Sulpician priest, Raymond Brown, in this book.

Thousands of years later, this from the Vatican:

"We realize now that many, many centuries of blindness have dimmed our eyes so that we no longer see the beauty of Thy Chosen People and no longer recognize in their faces the features of our first-born brother. We realize that our brows are branded with the mark of Cain. Centuries long has Abel lain in blood and tears because we had forgotten Thy love. Forgive us the curse which we unjustly laid on the name of the Jews. Forgive us that with our curse, we crucified Thee a second time."

Pope John XXIII

[str8outavannuys]

Originally posted by Fugee
They had a special, CDs and tour with the top 8 or so finalists from Idol 2 so they do market groups that way. I haven't noticed a demographic to the judges comments other than youth oriented. They like some teen singers whose voices aren't quite matured and it may be because having a great voice isn't as necessary in the pop world as image (e.g. Britney).

Idols = cows
Simon Fuller/19 Entertainment = rich ass farmer

This thread is the dumbest thing ever. Whoever makes it through the process will have done so because they are popular, and in doing so will become more popular, and will sell gajillions of CDs. The race and gender of the winner and runner up is immaterial. At this point, if someone unmarketable makes it into the final twelve, they'll get eliminated early on anyway. You can't survive week after week, over and over again in a popularity contenst, without being marketable. Whoever wins is going to be good enough, and will sell.

But then I think, what about Justin Guarini? His album didn't sell. Hmmm.