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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
You still don't get it. Let me try it this way: In a hypothetical utopia in which everyone buys their babies at thrift stores, males and females alike will think differently about the costs of bringing new life into the world than we presently do. They will think that cost is somewhat lower than a neighboring hypothetical utopia in which 85% of them buy babies at thrift stores and 15% deliver vaginally, and of that group .05% die. This is true whether or not those deliveries are painless.
Continue to note, if you will, that I make this observation, which I continue to believe is true, without believing that it is a good thing that people suffer and die. I only note it has an effect on their dispositions and appreciation of life that they do. You, meanwhile, are beating the crap out of a straw man that we presently lack an understanding of the cost of life because of the wide availability of epidurals today (an argument I did not make). I join you in thinking such an argument would be, if made, ludicrous. Now join me in acknowledging that no one here has yet made it.
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Maybe I'm being dense here. Wouldn't be the first time, certainly. But in the context of what you were talking about (we chose natural; wouldn't do an epideral; would have considered demerol, but thankfully no need) and in light of the posts of others here (horrible, long labor before deciding to do an epideral), it is very hard to read your post that fringey and I quoted as not saying something akin to "other people may choose to get epiderals, but I don't believe in doing that and it seems to somewhow be making our society less cognizant of the miracle that is childbirth and the long-standing risks associated with it". I'm not sure really how different that is from my original interpretation of your comment. I mean really. You are now changing your point to "if everyone had painfree childbirth, we wouldn't appreciate historically how difficult it has been"? Because even the posters here who went the epideral route seem to have some first-hand understanding beyond the level of yours about the difficulty of childbirth.
So what was your point? And why were you making it in the midst of an epideral discussion if that was not the point of it?
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