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Originally posted by bilmore If I don't understand that people consider women to be actual humans, fully as worthwhile as men, than my not hiring one as my bank vice president is a mistake, not evil.
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The understanding that women are humans fully as worthwhile as men is innate. It is and always has been morally wrong for men to use their superior physical strength to gain an advantage over women. Men innately know this was wrong, but it has always been an advantage they were unwilling to give up. So they justified it in various ways, the most notable is religion. This is one reason why these religions that teach that women are not equal are the cause of so much evil on this earth. Hopefully some day, we will recognize the evils of islam and other religions that perpetrate these crimes. I know I am always harping on islam and that other religions do the same somewhat, but it is a matter of degree. Yes, there are fringe christian groups that do it, too, but with islam, it is so widespread and so oppressive. It is a scourge on this earth that I hope one day will be eliminated as a belief system.
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When everyone around owns slaves, (and this one is a closer call, admittedly), and accepts it as natural, I think there's a strong argument for the mistake explanation.
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Why is this a closer call than claiming god wants women to be shrouded from head to foot? How different is slavery from the way women in these islamic countries are forced to live? They are considered the property of their fathers or their husbands. It is innately evil. Yet simply because they call it a religious belief, others will respect it. That is wrong. Those of you who refuse to speak out against isalmic oppression of women should be ashamed of yourselves. I don't just mean the extreme oppression. I mean any oppression. Any and all oppression of women is wrong. Forcing women to be "modest" as they call it by shrouding themselves is wrong.
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