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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Pi is always 3.1415926535897etc., and you don't need religion to tell you that. Reason doubtless leads people to agree on a great many truths.
And at the margins these principles are not as universal as you suggest. Killing is bad, but killing in self defense is not. Many people believe it's OK to execute people for crimes, even though it's not self defense. The Aztecs' religion had them believing that human sacrifice is OK, something most people now would probably dispute.
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Right, although unfortunately reason (or faulty application of it or insufficient facts) can fail us too.
This topic is frustrating because I think most of us agree that there is an objective standard for morality (at least with the biggies), but there is no good answer for how get there, mostly because we are humans and humas are falible.